I think these are what are called "involuntary ganchos" or "forced ganchos", or at least were in the workshops I did. I recall spending ages trying unsuccessfully to lead this, until I asked the instructor (a visiting professional who came to the UK often, until a few years ago) to lead one on me. Wow. The amount of force he used was terrifying, and I knew instantly why I was not achieving this move and why I would never want to do it to a girl. Interestingly other student guys considered this amount of force to be not excessive. The girls... varied. When I later visited BsAs for the first time, I found they just do not do these moves ("forced" or otherwise) in social dancing. You can watch all night at e.g. Lo De Celia and not see even one gancho. Except perhaps from a foreigner who's learned it in a workshop abroad. Locally such moves are considered only for stage tango. A girl doesn't at all mind that kind of treatment if she is a professional being paid to receive it.