Argentine Tango competitions

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  1. tangobro

    tangobro Active Member

    Argentina's World Championships 2010 - salon semi

    Dancers in this round 9 of the semi-finals advanced to the finals:

    348. Brian Nguyen & Yuliana Basmajyan from Los Angeles USA
    165 : Cristian Andres Lopez & Naoko Tsutsumizaki of Tokyo Japan
    136 : Paso Jan & Rui Saito Seul from Republic of Korea
    493 : Frank Carlos Obregon Delci & Jenny Carolina Gil Alvarez, Caracas Venezuela
    373 : Ricardo Sotelo & Norma Fernandez Chavez – Buenos Aires, Argentina
  2. Zoopsia59

    Zoopsia59 Well-Known Member

    Were they in there just as a token nod to the retirement community? They can't possibly have been the ONLY couple over 40 that looked this good.
  3. tangobro

    tangobro Active Member

    I've seen other couples that definitely look over 40
  4. tangobro

    tangobro Active Member

    Argentina's World Championships 2010 - salon semi

    Argentina's World Championships 2010
    Salon Tango semi-finals

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqzSb7c4kpc

    Dancers in this round 8 of the semi-finals advanced to the finals:

    331 : Mikage Urushihara & Arisa Urushihara of Tokyo Japan
    285 : Juan Carlos Martinez & Nora Witanowski, of Caba Argentina
  5. tangobro

    tangobro Active Member

    Disappointed with the camerawork. They alternate a focus on the dancers from the waist up, sometimes from the chest up With cuts to a focus on their feet from the knees down, brief glances of a full dancing couple - then quick cuts to another camera on the other side of the stage - total loss of continuity. They lost me after the 2nd round, but I stayed for the 3rd (hooked on the music, some Pugliese - interesting). I'm leaving the computer now to tango on the pier.
  6. jantango

    jantango Active Member

    And the 2010 World Champions in Tango Salon are

    http://www.2xtango.com/?p=6935

    In the history of the campeonato mundial, ten places were named; this year only five couples received mention among the 40 finalists.

    Ricardo Sotelo and Norma Fernandez were one of two token "senior" couples since they placed third in the city competition along with the champions Ana Polito and Alberto Markus (who didn't have to dance in the semifinal rounds and went directly to the finals).

    I am not surprised that Frank Obregon and Jenny Gil placed in the top five since they work regularly in the tango houses in BsAs. They are stage performers who don't dance socially in the milongas, but they danced in the salon category anyway.

    Highlight of the night for me was seeing all the previous champions dancing on stage as a group.

    Tuesday night - 19 hs BA time - Stage finals at Luna Park - worth watching to see the tribute to Maria Nieves. www.c5nenvivo.com.ar
  7. tangobro

    tangobro Active Member

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  9. tangobro

    tangobro Active Member

    Won 5th place - 493 : Frank Carlos Obregon Delci & Jenny Carolina Gil Alvarez, Caracas Venezuela

    Won 3rd place - 165 : Cristian Andres Lopez & Naoko Tsutsumizaki of Tokyo Japan
  10. AndaBien

    AndaBien Well-Known Member

    In watching all these videos, I found it difficult to watch the older couple because they were too often off camera, in favor of dancers doing fancy steps. I have a hard time thinking this is salon tango. To me, it's obviously for show, and salon tango, by my definition, is not.
  11. dchester

    dchester Moderator Staff Member

    I think it's a bit of a stretch to claim that they don't know what salon tango is. IMO, salon is a rather large category, with milonguero style being one subset, and Villa Urquiza style (which the majority of the contestants do) being another subset of salon.

    As it was told to me (no clue about the accuracy though), in Villa Urquiza, they had much more room, so they tended to use more space, used longer steps, and placed more of an emphasis on looks (among other things).
  12. JohnEm

    JohnEm Member

    I'd be interested in jantango's view of whether what we see is Villa Urquiza.

    However here is a short extract from her latest blog post:

    I've been viewing this year's Mundial de Baile rounds of salon tango. The couples are well-dressed, attractive, slim, and trained dancers. They all use a wide arm hold, have erect posture, long smooth strides, and execute turns and adornments with ease. They come from different cities and countries, but they all basically look and dance the same. No one in a group of ten stands out to me over another; they have been homogenized. Not only do they all dance the same, they dance the same way to every orchestra. They are performing for the judges rather than dancing a feeling for themselves. After all, there is a title and handsome prize at stake.

    The full post is here:
    http://jantango.wordpress.com/2010/08/31/homogenized-tango/

    And incidentally the wide arm hold isn't tango to me and Janis is right
    to call it a hold rather than an embrace.
    He is holding her and she is holding him.
    I was taught that the space allowed more expansive open movements
    which were thus more visually appealing. Videos of The Sunderland Club
    don't seem to show that though so is this also apocryphal?
  13. jantango

    jantango Active Member

    Is it Villa Urquiza style?????

    El Flaco Dany lives in Villa Urquiza. El Flaco Dany goes on Saturday to Sunderland in Villa Urquiza to be seen or dance an exhibition. Are we then to assume that he dances the Villa Urquiza style? Dany dances his own style and who he is. Dany dances for himself and his partner. He was one of the judges for the Mundial de Baile. I will have to ask him if the young couples were dancing Villa Urquiza style or not. All we have to do is watch a video of the dancing at Sunderland and see the variety of styles.

    Teachers are creating clones by teaching one way of dancing tango and then labeling it Villa Urquiza style. The new tango champions are 18 and probably have never set foot in a real milonga of BsAs. They were trained to perform for exhibition, and that is what they will be doing. They are not salon dancers. They were trained to dance a certain way. That way is to further what is called the Villa Urquiza style.
  14. dchester

    dchester Moderator Staff Member

    No. I don't think he does, nor did I ever claim that everyone from Villa Urquiza dances in the same style.

    I will add that he does a flashy milonga that I like quite a bit.
  15. tangobro

    tangobro Active Member

    predictions comes true

    my bold:

    Seems Jan was prescient on a few counts, they have been reported as the youngest winners in history & according to Simbatango's blog
    http://simbatango.com/2010/04/19/maria-ines-bogado-sebastian-jimenez/
    they are regulars at the Sunderland practica.

    don't Carlos Perez & Rosa teach there?
    Carlos & Rosa are referred to as teachers in the Villa Urquiza stye, and Sunderland is in the Villa Urquiza neighborhood.

    here are Maria & Sebastian @ the Sunderland practica
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPR1CUZ8MP0

    As I recall Jan mentioned, or pointed us to an article that mentioned the judge's bias toward Villa Urquiza style.

    And as for young people, there is Horacio Godoy's prediction/observation:

    "Urquiza is what it's coming," prophesies Godoy. "There is a group of kids that realized that the maximum wealth is there. I am not talking about figures, it's about the musicality and the quality of the movement. It's about a wealth of knowledge so subtle and complex that for the ordinary eye is imperceptible. "

    as reported on
    http://www.neymelo.com/tangostyles.htm


    Jan - please focus on winning LOTTERY numbers & PM me :D
  16. jantango

    jantango Active Member

    I should have written my three top favorites in the stage tango category before they were announced. Then you would have been impressed that I chose the top three winners. What luck!

    The Japanese/Argentine couple danced with such incredible emotion from the moment they began. The red dress in Cafe Dominguez was another favorite couple with flawless choreography. The dark blue dress was my third choice. I can't tell you their names, but they will be announced on www.2xtango.com.ar

    I have to admit that I enjoyed the stage finals more than the salon tango videos. Maria Nieves (in her mid-70s) did a fabulous number that brought tears to my eyes.
  17. pascal

    pascal Member

    It's funny to see you all elaborating about a Villa Urquiza style.

    Now, what Carlos & Rosa Perez told us in June during a workshop about the tango styles, is that there is no such thing as Villa Urquiza style.

    Now if you like to elaborate, feel free to elaborate about the Loch Ness monster.
  18. Dave Bailey

    Dave Bailey New Member

    Ah, post-mortems, back-biting, endless over-analysis... this is (one reason) why I hate competitions, they always provoke this sort of reaction.
  19. dchester

    dchester Moderator Staff Member

    I'm wondering if the style thing debate is also related to translation issues. Possibly some people (like Jan) think that if a style is named after a region, then it means that everyone in that region dances that same style, when clearly it doesn't mean that at all. Just like all milongueros didn't have the same style (see Pupi Castello), even though there is a style called milonguero style.

    I know, there will be someone who says there all no styles, it's all tango, (well unless we are talking about nuevo, or stage, or ...).
  20. JohnEm

    JohnEm Member

    By way of correction I'll quote what jantango actually said here:

    Not much certainty there.
    But more of a different kind of certainty here:
    So jantango's view is that it has been labelled Villa Urquiza by competition
    and commercially orientated teachers.

    My impression is that it seems to be an intermediate style between
    outright show tango and social, in other words developed for the purpose
    of promotion and to meet the rules of salon competition if not exactly
    the spirit. How often you hear that criticism in many human competitive
    endeavours of meeting the strict letter of the rules rather than their spirit.
    Shame it's tango that is inevitably suffering from the same
    competitive manipulation as others.

    So-called Villa Urquiza is a more visual style with none of the tango physical
    heart to heart connection. Maybe it has more appeal around the world as it
    requires less commitment to the embrace - how little the participants must know
    about what they missing. In comparison to apilado/milonguero I find it remote,
    even a little disconcerting as the lady is at a slightly awkward angle.
    Entraga? Probably not. And none that I've experienced.

    That certainly was the case but now . . . ? After all, argentinians invented
    nuevo the dance quite some time after Piazzolla coined Nuevo for his
    non-dancing jazz influenced music.

    Of course the major problem (apart from the outright commercialisation
    of tango) is that we are indeed talking about it. We need to find words
    in order to express and describe a dance of feeling and movement.

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