Since I just danced a sanctioned comp that had more than straight finals, I thought I'd look up the proficiency point rules for the NDCA and USA Dance to see if K. & I had earned any points. What I found was quite interesting. First, I'll summarize the rules: In USA Dance, you earn a point toward your current proficiency level at a sanctioned competition if: 1) You WIN at your current level, and a semi-final was danced. OR 2) You place in the top three of a higher level, and a semi-final was danced. OR 3) You make the final of a higher level, and a quarter-final was danced. Dancers are allowed to earn up to 5 points before being forced to move up and out of their current level. Also, I have been told several times that points earned under USA Dance rules at NDCA comps still count toward your USA Dance proficiency levels. Now for the NDCA rules: You earn a point toward your proficiency level at a sanctioned competition if: 1) You WIN your current level, and a semi-final was danced. OR 2) You make the final of a higher level, and a semi-final was danced. Dancers are allowed to earn up to 3 points before being forced to move up and out of their current level. Please note that in both systems, placements in Pro/Am events have no bearing on one's Amateur proficiency points. Also, in both systems, points cascade downward. So, if you've never entered a Bronze competition but enter Gold and win, you in effect get one point for Gold, one for Silver, and one for Bronze. As you can see, there are definite differences. By the NDCA rules, K & I got a point against Pre-Novice (which doesn't even exist in USA Dance) by dancing a Novice event that started in a quarter-final and making the final. However, since in USA Dance Novice is alongside sylllabus, that point does not translate over to the USA Dance system. Isn't this confusing! Maye some people appear to sandbag because they just can't figure it all out.... But wait, there's more...because of the 5 versus 3 point rule, it's now possible for a couple to place out of a level in NDCA comps but go back and dance it in USA Dance comps. In an area like where I live where there's no sense of separation between the two communities, this is rather weird.