Cuban bolero?

Discussion in 'General Dance Discussion' started by Sagitta, Aug 20, 2011.

  1. Sagitta

    Sagitta Well-Known Member

    So I know there is ballroom bolero, but is there Cuban bolero, and if so how does it differ?
  2. GGinrhinestones

    GGinrhinestones Well-Known Member

    This sounds like a question for Tangotime!
  3. opendoor

    opendoor Well-Known Member

    Indeed it is a bit difficult to find material at YT

    - a "making of" with some Bolero in it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT_AHdtuUMw
    - Bolero in a living room http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CZcsgjmEAc
    - Bolero in suit, neon light, and air condition http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfcdf43fCU4
    - interesting historic take http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZRd1aHHy3U
    - and something more recent http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUgYeaiijwM

    Some of the stuff resembles Danzon and Son. Where are the boundaries?

    youtube.com/watch?v=BUgfMM6esMQ
    [YT]BUgfMM6esMQ[/YT]

    finally Bolero at wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolero
  4. tangotime

    tangotime Well-Known Member

    That clip rates as one of the worst displays Ive ever seen. Its attempting ( I think? ) to be authentic Cuban .

    I have a clip of basic Bolero posted on Salsa Forums in the vid section ( plus Cumbia and Danzon ) .

    The more extreme B/room version , is based upon the old style performed by the likes of Veloz and Yolanda for e.g.

    Ive modified it to a more club style .

    Danzon, being the root of most Latin dances, will inject part of itself in some of the basic standard variations that we now see in Sq. Rumba for e.g. ,where its nearly identical .

    Bolero, as in Rumba , may be danced to " Son " rhythms, but the actual dance doesnt translate well into those formats ( salsa is more compatible ) .

    As to the musical side of Bolero, there are specialists like Omara Portuondo and La Lupe. Also,many of the older mambo bands.. Tito Rodriguez and Puente did some fab. Boleros .

    The "boundaries " as is generally the case, is defined by the music .

    The clip with the older Cuban guy, is dancing more Son( which was really good ) than Bolero, and, the rhythm is a Son Guajira, not the best for a more traditional Bolero that may be danced in a club ( the other vids were equally a poor e.g. ) .
  5. opendoor

    opendoor Well-Known Member

    Thanks tt, you are a living dictionary. Additionally: Danzón isn´t simply one. Thought it was a tanda of 3 or 4 different rhythms ranging from something slow and Tango-like, over Son-like rhythms up to what we now call Salsa. Which exactly would it be, then?
  6. tangotime

    tangotime Well-Known Member


    There are essentially 4/5 dance styles ,that emerged from the Son rhythm.

    Danzon

    Guajira

    Guaracha

    Bolero

    Mambo/Salsa .

    Those are the ones that are still danced socially in some parts of the world .The slower versions are normally used for Bolero, and mid range Rumba to the faster form which is Guaracha .

    The more indigenous styles like "Son " and Cuban rumba ( the solo kind ) are getting much more exposure in recent times. In fact, there are usually Rumba workshops at most of the Salsa congresses.There are those who incorporate Rumba into shine positions in Salsa .

    This is the style that incorporates the African format of call and response, and has its origins in religion.

    What also affects the style is the Clave..the 2/3 used in Guaguanco for e.g. as opposed to a 3/2 in some Montunos.. and.. Guaracha being a 3/2, also often found with a 2/4 time, used in Salsa .

    So,the "tanda", as you put it, could and does , often incorporate different rhythms into one song ( happens frequently in Salsa ).. not uncommon to hear rumba passages as well as cumbia and son .Having said that, I guess it gives some licence to how one wishes to interpret any song. Which begs the question.. HOW does one describe/categorise it ?.. maybe a moot point .


    So, what it boils down to is this.. styles of dance, as we know, evolve, and what the native indigenous dances gave us ,was a format for more acceptable partnership styles .And, like all dance forms, they seem to gravitate to the Exhibition style which has no practical value in a social setting ( altho thats where many attempt to place it ! )

    Going back to the clips.. my major complaint is .. they are displayed, as tho they are what is current in the todays social scene. They all have some elements of truth, but are really not practical.Basic formats should be just that, Basic..

    Retaining the "essence " of an indigenous dance is very important, and trying to not stray to far from its roots is nigh impossible once it reaches the exhibiton stage..
  7. achilles007

    achilles007 Member

    Cha-Cha isnt considered?
  8. opendoor

    opendoor Well-Known Member

    It is, my friend: ChaChaChá is just a slow Mambo.

    That some folks made an own style out of it is another story told elsewhere.
  9. tangotime

    tangotime Well-Known Member


    Actually, Cha is an extension of Son Guajira .
  10. tangotime

    tangotime Well-Known Member

    Cha Cha was formed from the basic of Guajira, a Cuban form of "Son "., danced on "1" , if you will.

    The ones I listed, are the original pure forms of Afro Cuban Music that make up the social dances we dance today .
  11. opendoor

    opendoor Well-Known Member

    Sorry, I cannot find it. Only two threads in the vids section. I also don´t want to sign up in another forum. Was it possible that you can post the basic Bolero vid in this thread here again? Thanks in advance! od
  12. tangotime

    tangotime Well-Known Member

    For some reason, it was moved .Will check with the mods
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  13. opendoor

    opendoor Well-Known Member

    By the way, can you tell me the difference between cuban bolero and beguine? Even the bongo and conga patterns are quite similar ..
    beguine
    bolero

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