Enlightening Conversations

Discussion in 'Funstuff and Inspiration' started by Larinda McRaven, Nov 2, 2008.

  1. bordertangoman

    bordertangoman Well-Known Member

    this is intersting and amusing:

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  2. pygmalion

    pygmalion Well-Known Member

    Nice, btm. Sorry I missed this until now. Very thought provoking. :)
  3. pygmalion

    pygmalion Well-Known Member



    Thoughts?
  4. samina

    samina Well-Known Member

    I agree with BTM for the most part. A better short list, IMO:

    1. Tell the truth.
    2. Expect others to do the same.
    3. Be helpful as best you are able.
    4. Be thankful for others who do the same.
    5. Clean up your own messes...of every kind.

    All the rest is window dressing. :)
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  5. pygmalion

    pygmalion Well-Known Member

    Well. They had to sell some books. lol.
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  6. pygmalion

    pygmalion Well-Known Member


    Sorry for the short answer. Got sidetracked by some actual work there for a minute. I like your short list.

    I shouldn't get into too much analysis of the kindergarten book because I read it back when it was on the NYT bestseller list for a long, long time. Late 80s sometime, I think.

    A couple things, though. One of the things I took away from that book is that, no matter how complicated life situations may seem, answers often boil down to basic principles -- things we already know. Obvious things we learned in kindergarten, like clean up your own mess. We preach it to our little kids. But do we do it ourselves, as you say, with messes of every kind? Or do we overthink or maybe make excuses?

    Also IIRC (again, through the fog of having read the book more than twenty years ago,) I don't remember anyone making the argument that every principle applies to every situation simultaneously. The premise, as I understand it, is that sometimes life's conundrums are best resolved by applying a little common sense, which really isn't all that common, sometimes.
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  7. chomsky

    chomsky Well-Known Member

    thank you for a lesson in my life...
  8. Larinda McRaven

    Larinda McRaven Site Moderator Staff Member

    Wake with the sun - There is no purer light than what we see when we open our eyes first thing in the morning. Resisting the morning's first waking moment instantly adds stress to your day. Avoiding the sun, you commence a chase that lasts all day long: running short of time, balance, peace and productivity.


    Sit - Mindfulness without meditation is just a word. The search for mindful living is always grounded in a meditation practice. Seated meditation is the easiest and fastest way to clear your mind of anxious, fearful and stressful thoughts. Meditation puts your overactive brain on a diet, so you have more attention to bring to the real life that appears before you. You will be far more productive in the ensuing hours if you begin the day by spending five minutes actively engaged in doing nothing at all.


    Make your bed - The state of your bed is the state of your head. Enfold your day in dignity. The five minutes you spend making your bed slows you down from your frantic, morning scrambling and creates a calm retreat to welcome you home at night. Plus, making your bed means you've already achieved an even more challenging feat: getting out of it.


    Empty the hampers - Do the laundry without resentment or commentary and have an intimate encounter with the very fabric of life. Doing laundry is a supreme act of personal responsibility. It requires maturity, attention and discipline, and it engenders happiness. Don't believe me? See how you feel every time you reach the bottom of an empty hamper.


    Wash your bowl - Rinse away self-importance and clean up your own kitchen mess. If you leave it undone, it will get sticky. An empty sink can be the single most gratifying sight of a long and tiring day.


    Set a timer - If you're distracted by the weight of what's undone, set a kitchen timer and, like a monk in a monastery, devote yourself wholeheartedly to the task at hand before the bell rings. The time you'll findhidden in a kitchen timer unleashes more of your attention to the things that matter most.


    Rake the leaves - Take yourself outside to rake, weed or sweep. You'll never finish for good, but you'll learn the point of pointlessness. The repetitive motion is meditative; the fresh air is enlivening. Lose yourself in doing what needs to be done, without a thought of permanent outcome or gain. You'll immediately alter your worldview.


    Eat when hungry - Align your inexhaustible desires with the one true appetite. Coming clean about our food addictions and aversions is powerful and lasting medicine. Eating is so central to family life and culture that we can pass on our habits for generations to come. Mindless overeating feeds our sickness; mindful eating feeds the body's intuitive, intelligent wisdom and nourishes life well past tonight's empty plates.


    Let the darkness come - Set a curfew on the Internet and TV and discover the natural balance between daylight and darkness, work and rest. Your taste for the quiet will naturally increase. When you end your day in accord with the earth's perfect rhythm, you grant the whole world a moment of pure peace.


    Sleep when tired - Nothing more to it.
  9. bordertangoman

    bordertangoman Well-Known Member

    and stroke the cat..
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  10. j_alexandra

    j_alexandra Well-Known Member

    This one hit me between the eyes this morning:

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  11. Larinda McRaven

    Larinda McRaven Site Moderator Staff Member

  12. toothlesstiger

    toothlesstiger Well-Known Member

    Very nice.
    "The only freedom which cannot be taken away is your attitude."
    As life's difficulties are sending me back into the embrace of Buddhism, I find myself making a greater effort to show friendliness, compassion, and the benefit of a doubt to everyone.
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  13. j_alexandra

    j_alexandra Well-Known Member

    I have been re-reading this thread, and I found this post from an earlier, younger, significantly less patient version of myself. I am pleased to report that she was wrong; it has not been a lifelong challenge to learn to see awkwardness and ineptness as useful and necessary and worth celebrating. It's taken years, but Teach's teaching has paid off -- and I'm talking about Teach telling me that it's valuable to go deeply to my learning place and find substance.

    In short:

    I've come to a point in my learning at which, when I screw up, when I get something totally, utterly new, incomprehensible, something so alien that I can't even see what I'm looking at, and he wants me to do it? I no longer freeze. I no longer hate or fear it. I no longer have the knee-jerk "can't" reaction. I say, "HOW COOL IS THAT" and try it. Again and again. I'll do it 10,000 times; 9,990 of which will be something other than optimal. But I know that I learn from all of those less than optimal attempts, and that going deep is worth it, worth it, worth it.

    I'm not blowing my dance horn, here. I'm celebrating that I can learn, and learn, and learn, and the lessons learned in that studio have paid off in ways I could never imagine. Reading what JA wrote four years ago? She sounds like someone I used to know. And that blew my mind.

    I only know who I am moment by moment. And I don't know how I got here.

    All the good books recommended here, all the schools of thought, all the ideas shared, yet I can't point to any and say, f'rex, ACIM or Pema Chodron or Wayne Dyer or whoever was the catalyst; perhaps some or all of them contributed. And all of you who wrote in this thread, and shared your ideas of what constitutes enlightenment. Thank you all. You are part of me.
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  14. chomsky

    chomsky Well-Known Member

    I am just envious..70% I am afraid...it used to be 70% wow, this is cool now it's 30%. But I guess that when you reach bottom that's when you prove to yourself how really passionate you are. you are an amateur, the word stems from the latin amo, you love, you have a passion...love is love when things are hard, not when they're easy...
  15. chomsky

    chomsky Well-Known Member

    I am so going to steal this for my fb!!!thank you!thanks for writing this!

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