Enlightening Conversations

Discussion in 'Funstuff and Inspiration' started by Larinda McRaven, Nov 2, 2008.

  1. fascination

    fascination Site Moderator Staff Member

    it wasn't aimed in a specific direction...but if you choose to walk in front of it...
  2. elisedance

    elisedance New Member

    hey, whats this roadkill lying in this thread?
  3. bordertangoman

    bordertangoman Well-Known Member

    Is this the "Get BTM!" thread?
  4. fascination

    fascination Site Moderator Staff Member

    again...dude...I did not aim at you...;)
  5. elisedance

    elisedance New Member

    you hold him down f: I'll try to knock some 'we love you BTM' into him OK?
    :kissme:
  6. samina

    samina Well-Known Member

    Thanks for sharing, DL.

    For my part, it makes no sense to me that what is created lies outside of the creator, which is the base premise of that article. But there are many different christian perspectives...I dare say if 100 people debated the issue, at least 101 perspectives would emerge. ;)

    But as we're not here to debate them, let's not go down that path. We can give to and take from this thread what inspires us. :)
  7. bordertangoman

    bordertangoman Well-Known Member

    You and whose army??? :tongue:
  8. DL

    DL Well-Known Member

    agree
  9. emeralddancer

    emeralddancer Active Member

    Here is two somethings that hit me smack in the head about 10 years ago and I live by this now. Might be really simple and stupid to some ... but sometimes it is the simple things that make us think eh?

    First is "The grass is NOT greener on the other side, it is greener where you water it" - by Emory Austin. I heard her speak at a convention I was attending in Minn, MN. She was a statuesque woman with a very heavy southern drawn. I was in such a bad place and just "faking" being positive and wonderful. This simple little statement totally changed how I view things. I met her afterwards and it was like she KNEW what was going on and the inner turmoil I was feeling. She had the kindest eyes and such a sweet soul. I am blessed to have met her.

    The 2nd was "The choices we make, dictates the life we live" - I do not remember where I heard this or who said it. But it had an equally strong impact on me as Emory's statement. So I try very hard to make good and proper choices because I know if I focus on negative that is what will be drawn to me. SO ... I try to focus on positive and be around those that I want to be like or attract.

    Make sense?

    Eh ... hope this helps. :D
  10. Larinda McRaven

    Larinda McRaven Site Moderator Staff Member

    Those are great sentiments.
  11. DL

    DL Well-Known Member

  12. QPO

    QPO New Member

    Reading a book about happiness..here is one of the remarks in the book. "Write it on your heart that every day is the best day in the year"... Ralph Waldo Emerson 1803-1992
  13. Larinda McRaven

    Larinda McRaven Site Moderator Staff Member

    Here is an email I recieved yesterday...



    Try The 3 Day Gratitude Challenge!
    Written by Jafree Ozwald and Margot Zaher

    Gratitude is one of the highest vibrations on the planet. It is a close cousin to love and comes spontaneously from opening your heart to love itself. The energy of gratitude is soooo powerful that it instantly opens your heart, and connects you to the Divine power in all of existence. In every moment you have the opportunity to be grateful for what is showing up. The real question is HOW to remain in this constant state of gratitude without having to always reboot your mind and refocus back on it. The secret to this answer is in increasing the general vibration and consciousness within your body. So we invite you to take on our 3 Day Gratitude Challenge to upgrade your life and start living in Gratis-Ville! It starts first thing tomorrow morning before you get out of bed. You simply put on your "Gratitude Glasses" and begin SEEING everything in your life from this Grace-filled state. As you practice your new all-seeing "Gratitude Vision" you are strengthening your ability to relax and experience every moment as perfect and Divine. And by focusing on Gratefulness you are making your life reeeeally GREAT!!

    "To speak gratitude is courteous and pleasant, to enact gratitude is generous and noble, but to live gratitude is to touch Heaven." ~ Johannes A. Gaertner

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    "Gratefulness is the key to a happy life that we hold in our hands, because if we are not grateful, then no matter how much we have we will not be happy -- because we will always want to have something else or something more." ~ Brother David Steindl-Rast

    Below are 4 Secrets to help you remain in the constant vibration of Gratitude for 3 days in a row!

    Secret #1 - Live your Life as Gratitude.Living your life as gratitude is recognizing that all action is Grace in action. It's about acknowledging EVERY experience, thought, person and situation as a gift from Grace, a blessing from the Divine, and having appreciation for the experience no matter what it is. You trust that everything Life brings to you is indeed a gift, or something that will enrich your life, even if it does not first appear that way to the mind. There is a gift and a blessing in everything. Even in those moments that appear the bleakest. The secret is to SEEK the gift and give thanks for something in those difficult moments. When you begin to do this, and truly live AS the vibration of gratitude itself. This is when miraculous things happen! You will see on your 3rd Day of Gratitude that the world lovingly supports your every wish and need. A natural thankful energy for every occurrence will spontaneously arise by your third day and you'll be astounded how amazing life truly is!

    Secret #2 - Ask yourself the Big "G" Question. The Big Question we're speaking of here is, "What am I the most Grateful for right now?" The answer might be as simple as, "My health, clean air to breathe, or my heart is beating and I'm alive with Life!" The reason we suggest you keep asking this question is that your answer will change with each new moment. When you dive deeply into this question it becomes easier to slip into the Divine Drift of constant appreciation. The more you ask it the greater gratitude gets magnified. The G question is easy to remember and creates a profound shift in your energy field where you'll instantly feel more expansive and open to what life is offering you now.

    Secret #3 - Reset the Complaining Mind to Thankful Thinking.Your mind is probably already somewhat addicted to complaining. It thinks its job is to notify you of what it believes is missing in your life. When you try to resist, judge or ignore the complaining thoughts, you'll find that they resurface again fairly soon. To free your mind from complaints forever, simply investigate what the mind REALLY needs, wants and desires. This complaint is actually coming from a smaller part of your mind that is trying to ask for what it wants, yet cannot actually speak it. So the next time you hear yourself complain about something, purposefully shift your focus INSIDE to what your heart is really truly longing for. In just those few moments you'll reset your mind to finding and feeling gratitude in the simple things again. If you just cannot investigate yourself and find what your heart really wants, you can always retrain your brain to FEEL grateful. Every time something happens, say to yourself, " I am so grateful for XYZ". If you don't feel gratitude, just be curious and ask yourself, "What would it feel like to be grateful for this?" Gratitude is like the sun in the sky in that its always present, yet sometimes its hidden from our vision by clouds. The mind can get very cloudy when we are always focused on complaints. Find the Light in everything and your mind will be free!

    Secret #4 - Make your Gratitude Commitment Each Day's Priority.Your level of commitment equals the degree of success you'll experience. A commitment is simply a shift in your consciousness to becoming DEEPLY and consistently aware of what you really want. Making a constant commitment to gratitude for 3 days can only happen if its the MOST important thing about each day. When something is a priority in your life it takes precedence over everything! This means you're incorporating the "no matter what" philosophy. Meaning, no matter what happens, you are choosing to be grateful. Your devotion to gratitude acts as an attraction magnet for what is good and beautiful. When you are 100% committed to living in gratitude, you instantly become a magnet for what you love and desire, which makes it EASIER to remain in devotion. Being grateful for what you already are experiencing, you are sending out powerful loving energy that magnetizes back to you even more beautiful experiences. Just focus on being, doing and experiencing JUST this one thing for 72 hours. You'll be AMAZED at what happens in your life.


    "If the only prayer you said in your whole life was, "thank you," that would suffice." ~ Meister Eckhart
  14. fascination

    fascination Site Moderator Staff Member

    and all of life is as hard and as easy as that
  15. DL

    DL Well-Known Member

    ego and playing well with others

    Here's a half-baked idea to revive a thread:

    It's been pointed out in a few places on DF, that one's emotional reactions are properties of one's self, not a property of other people (e.g. "he made me angry," "she made me unhappy," etc., are not quite correct statements).

    It has occurred to me that there may be a corollary, that it is in general unreasonable to expect others to correctly anticipate -- and care about -- how one will perceive interactions with them, from one's own perspective.

    I think it may be true that people are more often self-centered than empathetic. I think the typical reason is that it simply doesn't occur to people to approach personal interactions the other way.

    Does anybody have a rosier take on this?
  16. The first part I'll agree with but the second part I'll quibble a little, with the caveat that I am neither a sociologist nor an anthropologist nor a bar tender.

    All of the larger social animals (e.g. wolves, dolphins, primates (including homo sapiens)) are biologically wired by evolution to be very perceptive of other's expressions (facial or otherwise, since dolphins probably don't have facial expressions; wolves do but they have many meaningful body postures as well).

    I think the reason is that the animal living in a group needs to have some understanding of what others are thinking and feeling, and needs to be able to predict with some accuracy how they will respond to what others in the group do. Therefore I think it is reasonable the expect others, most of the time, to do all that.

    To be honest, I'm not entirely sure what you mean in your second paragraph. It's a little confusing.

    As for your third point, I think people are naturally empathetic for the reasons I described above, but many people have the empathy trained out of them.

    So, there's my $0.02.
  17. Angel HI

    Angel HI Well-Known Member

    As P&B, I agree.

    Further...agreed. It is so for the same reasons as the aforementioned is so...most persons see life through their eyes first. Of course, we know this to be completely incorrect, but true nonetheless.
    Again, I believe you are correct in that it simply doesn't occur to persons to know that there is a different way of thinking. I might disagree, though, that it is b/c they are self-centered rather than empathetic. If you are stating that they are self-centered meaning that people, in general, do not think out of their learning/knowledge base, then I would agree. If you are stating that people just don't give a crap, then I would disagree. I believe that the latter form of apathy is a learned psychology, and not an inborn one.
  18. DL

    DL Well-Known Member

    Well, I said it was half-baked.

    Let me try this way: my emotional reactions are purely my own problem precisely because they are nobody else's. My second and third paragraphs were meant to make the same point, which you (P&B) made a different way by saying that "many people have the empathy trained out of them."

    I've gotten weary lately, in dance interactions, and elsewhere in my personal life and my professional life, of hearing people describe how they are treated unfairly, while at the same time not seeing evidence that they consider whether they treat others fairly -- from the view point of the "others".
  19. DL

    DL Well-Known Member

    Perhaps we're on the same page. I think a lot of people have learned that form of apathy, but realize neither that it's apathy nor that they've learned it.
  20. bordertangoman

    bordertangoman Well-Known Member


    I think what you have described is the essence of Non-Violent Communication. I dont think I have a "rosier take".

    My daughter was upset when she visited me and when I asked her why she said her mother was having a lazy day tomorrow and she (my daughter -age 5) was sad because she wanted her to play with. I was touched by the clarity of her expression of her needs so we when we went back I said Olivia wants to ask you something. So she asked "Are you going to have a lazy day tomorrow?" and her mother said no. "have you changed your mind? " " Yes I have"

    Whilst this doesnt follow a strict adherence to NVC format my daughter expressed her feelings and needs which puts most adults to shame. We become so conditioned by social conventions that we try to second guess outcome, make assumptions about how the other person will respond, use request to create covert demands and a raft of other complications, (eg quid pro quo expectations of gratitude and even politeness) which are often a bar to communication and understanding.

    All this can be improved by using nvc.

    as to being self-centred I think this is less of a problem. We operate by our own values. If we do something that benefits someone else; then we are meeting our needs to be helpful, kind, considerate, making a contribution or whatever so this is still self centred. So I dont think this is necessrily a problem

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