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Discussion in 'Tango Argentino' started by Dave Bailey, Jun 16, 2011.

  1. Dave Bailey

    Dave Bailey New Member

    Personally I'd call it bad dancing. I can recommend many places in London where people will do precisely that, if you want to see it in action.
  2. bordertangoman

    bordertangoman Well-Known Member

  3. bordertangoman

    bordertangoman Well-Known Member

    when you might use an open embrace;
    when your partner isnt able to balance...
    when she's taller and endowed in the chest department and you feel you've just put on a lifejacket....or climbing a v.diff overhang...
    when she cant keep her weight forward over her toes...
    when she doesnt know how to cross from a forward ocho to the leader's right..
  4. newbie

    newbie Well-Known Member

    He created the 8CB and this was called "stage tango" by his colleagues. Not a social dancer anyway. Old, but stage dancer.

    1940's, by (tm) milonguero's standards.

    He sure will feel flattered.

    And Captain Obvious drives home another point.

    Hey this part of the wall-of-text is true. There must be some truth after all in the monkey-and-the-typewriter story.

    Speak for yourself.

    Hopefully the fish used for empanadas was not from the 20's

    On Di Sarli it's unlikely that anything extravagant will appear anyway.

    You mean Vicente Lopez.

    I bet the real reason is, the same people being ten years older, they became slow and silent.

    It never happened. It evolved into neandertalensis. Who - for the sake of the tango metaphor - then went extinct.
  5. sixela

    sixela Well-Known Member

    Touché. Can't trust these spelling checkers these days; who wouldn't include that in the dictionary?
  6. sixela

    sixela Well-Known Member

    I could actually include him into something; it's just that the name "nuevo" is a bit silly if you can find very ancient ancestors to whatever you want to classify in a bin with a tag on it.
  7. sixela

    sixela Well-Known Member

    Thank you for being pointlessly adversarial (if you don't like the style of what I post, there's such a thing as merely ignoring it and focusing on the message. But then I remember you almost advocated to bump into static objects just to teach them in another thread, so I guess you're an a mission to Educate the World).

    Still, I'll sift through your pleasantly parsimonious wall of invective and address some other points.

    I always do. "We" obviously refers to most people trying to dance social tango in the '90s where I live (i.e. Flanders). Perhaps you got luckier, but we just learned from the people who were available to introduce us to AT at the time.

    There was actually one couple who evolved to dance something that looked like close embrace AT; the only problem is that they could lead nor follow (and obviously couldn't teach those skills) and had no discernible ear for the music, and that works even worse than stage tango shoehorned into a social dance floor (but at least led/followed and improvisational).

    Why not? That's music that usually inspires me to do pretty teasing stuff (unless the branding police is there to stop me).

    Even the younger ones who started somewhere 2005-2010-ish have adopted a different style. Everybody young and old alike is dancing differently.
  8. sixela

    sixela Well-Known Member

    It's possible to do some good dancing like that as well. Bad dancing isn't a style, it's just bad dancing. And that's possible in every style.

    I agree there's some correlation: some people develop complex dancing to hide the lack of good dancing, nay, as an alternative to developing good dancing.

    Sometimes it's not even their fault but that of the available teachers.
  9. chanchan

    chanchan Member

    But high boleos and ganchos are old moves, and part of the tradional style. The same is for the open embrace, soltada, fancy steps, big steps, large movements, pivots.
    You seem to be incorrectly assuming that all of that is something "new".
    Also tango shows and choreography, are a very very old thing.
  10. opendoor

    opendoor Well-Known Member

    Silly or not, if it helps to open someone´s eyes it would be the proper way.
  11. opendoor

    opendoor Well-Known Member

  12. Zoopsia59

    Zoopsia59 Well-Known Member

    Sigh... I'm not assuming anything... I was just trying to use words that it seemed we all understood, whether or not completely accurate or agreed upon, to answer a direct question put to me about what dancers here do. I don't want to use a paragraph to describe in detail what dance style I mean, so I thought (sigh) that at least if I used the term traditional to follow up on a post where I described the local use of the term "Nuevo" as being different, then people would know I meant:

    "Not the nuevo I described above, but a more BA-like social style suitable for a more crowded milonga and utilizing smaller and more subtle movements, all done in some variation of more consistent close embrace that might occasionally open somewhat for ochos and molinetes and focusing more on rhythm than on the fancy moves that impress viewers, generally taking up less space than the local nuevo style (although an occasional gancho or boleo might be used where there's room, but done with a snappy sharp expression rather than the languid sensual movement they use in what they call nuevo) and also traveling with less speed and long steps, so although your partner may be in connection heaven, beginners watching are starting to yawn just like I am with this discussion of naming styles going round and round with no possibility of consensus"
  13. sixela

    sixela Well-Known Member

    My experience is that pigeon-holing things usually isn't done to open anyone's eyes.

    If you want to open your eyes, then you have to look and recognise the continuum, not reduce things to caricatures or try to stick a pin through them and stick a label under each thing.

    Do I thereby deny it's not useful to show how extremes differ? Of course not, and I frequently do. But I tend not to get hung up by labels too much and I'm very loose in the way I colour the map of the continuum or draw borders.

    I also make a point of trying to see the internal coherence and logic in styles and ways of thinking that aren't mine, just to learn a lot about my preferences by studying those of others; I only joke about styles and call them "wrong" them in casual conversation, not in a forum like this where irony doesn't travel very well and where people don't know how I'm wired.

    I'll leave it to others to point out what the Correct Way is because <insert name dropping> said so.
  14. bordertangoman

    bordertangoman Well-Known Member

    like the little mechanoid spiders in Minority Report....
  15. Dave Bailey

    Dave Bailey New Member

    Sorry, but I couldn't help but :D when I read that. That's precisely how I felt a couple of days ago...
  16. Zoopsia59

    Zoopsia59 Well-Known Member

    I agree. It does seem more often to be used in order to be "right" and make others "wrong", whether it is nitpicking dance styles or stereotyping groups of people based on religion, race or anything else.
  17. bordertangoman

    bordertangoman Well-Known Member

    that is worthy of Monty Python..especially one of Eric Idle's monologues..
  18. Dave Bailey

    Dave Bailey New Member

    In other words, you don't feel that any information management exercise is ever useful? Categorisation of data is pointless? Well, I think that's a, um, somewhat novel position...

    I agree that bad information management is poor - that leads to jargon and narrow-minded interpretations. But you have to have some form of grouping, surely? There are differences in styles, in embrace, in music - attempting to ignore them is not helpful.

    What makes you think anyone on this thread would differ from, or disagree with, that approach? :confused:

    It's perfectly possible to have the best of both worlds. That's called a compromise.
  19. bordertangoman

    bordertangoman Well-Known Member

    its called ORGANIC TANGO
  20. Subliminal

    Subliminal Well-Known Member

    Izzat tango with no chemicals? I could really go for that after the last dance I had with a certain lady in my community. I came away from it smelling strongly of weedkiller.

    Besides, as chrisjj would say, the free-range tangueras are better for you anyway.

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