Getting criticised on my tango walk by a newbie!

Discussion in 'Tango Argentino' started by aaah, Jan 25, 2013.

  1. Yes, this is exactly what I mean.
     
  2. I know that it is not universal language, but I call it projecting the axis because I can't think of a better way to say it. What I am talking about is the concept of when the lead presents his or her axis to the follow with each step. Some tango dancers use compression to do this, others use tension (tensing up the axis), others use grounded steps, still others use collection.
     
  3. aaah

    aaah Member

    funny and true! I think that is happening --she told me to press my leg betweens hers forcefully

    all good - next time I will mention I don't stage tango
     
  4. twnkltoz

    twnkltoz Well-Known Member

    How about "been around long enough to know better but doesn't"?
     
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  5. AndaBien

    AndaBien Well-Known Member

    I could go for that. We used to say in the programming world that a person had 1 year of experience 10 times.
     
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  6. twnkltoz

    twnkltoz Well-Known Member

    Of course, this same lady does many adornments on every step, doesn't follow, your arms ache after leading her....so....yeah.
     
  7. Steve Pastor

    Steve Pastor Moderator Staff Member

    This, I believe (or perhaps hope), is her interpretation of something that can happen when you are moving somewhere between "two tracks" and "three tracks." You can hit a position where you are basically stepping "between" the woman's legs.
    This can happen when you are dancing a very connected, apilado style, in my experience (and training!). The contact is more outer thigh to inner thigh, rather than "between the legs." The use of "disassociation" is instrumental in having this happen, and is, I would say, a very precise, not to be overused, sort of thing.
     
  8. Zoopsia59

    Zoopsia59 Well-Known Member

    I was being snarky. I wasn't seriously suggesting that after one year, doling out unsolicited criticism is ok.
     
  9. Zoopsia59

    Zoopsia59 Well-Known Member

    ie: "intermediate"
     
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  10. LKSO

    LKSO Active Member

    If a teacher teaches that there is a right way and a wrong way, then newbies will think there is a right way and a wrong way. This is very prevalent if class material is about steps. Steps have no place in social tango, but it's taught as it is social tango. If it were stage tango, then these newbies would have a point.
     
  11. opendoor

    opendoor Well-Known Member

    You´ve got a point here. Only want to add, that girls very often learn in a different way (here in my hometown anyway): guys use to question almost everything, they tend to change the teacher and try to learn different styles.
     
  12. opendoor

    opendoor Well-Known Member

    Interesting point and I can understand you. My use of projecting also involves the possibility of retrieving the move. So for me (step-) projection ends not until the final weight shift has been done. When leading (regardless of whether by torso, or grounded steps) this retrieval isn´t always guaranteed. Also want to add, that I also lead with my arms, fingers, head, and of course by Naviera´s more intentional principle called 'opening the space'. Only think of soltadas, you cannot control it any more when it has been lead!
     
  13. bordertangoman

    bordertangoman Well-Known Member

    i have come across the reverse problem..too many guys teeling a newbie woman what to do. One got very confused because she was receiving instruction completely the opposite of what i was teaching, but I didn't discover this till afterwards. sadly she didn't come back. :(
    I agree with this. there are a lot of people who just ought to 'shut the f*** up'
     
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  14. Mladenac

    Mladenac Active Member

    And many followers seek advice from experienced leaders and they get overwhelmed.
    It might not to be a problem when she ask for a specific thing from the same style,
    but asking many guys they get confused what's right and tired of too much information.

    We all want to be advanced as soon as possible. :oops:
     
  15. twnkltoz

    twnkltoz Well-Known Member

    Good one.
     
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  16. twnkltoz

    twnkltoz Well-Known Member

    Yep. When I was new, all the leaders jumped on the chance to "teach" me and gave me widely varying instructions. Someone wanted apilado, some wanted a lighter connection, and no matter what they preached, "this is the only correct way to dance it." I seem to have reached a level (or at least I've been around long enough) that they don't do that anymore and I dance how I please, adjusting to my partner as much as I'm able. Now I hear from new girls the same complaint and offer my sympathy. It can be very confusing and vexing.
     
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  17. Lilly_of_the_valley

    Lilly_of_the_valley Well-Known Member

    And that is yet another reason why one should not "offer help" -- most of the time it does not help, it does quite the opposite.
     
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  18. Gssh

    Gssh Active Member

    Once i realized that there are at least a dozen different tangos that are more or less compatible with each other, and that the best practice was to assume that every dancer was dancing their tango absolutely correctly i had a much better time at milongas. I still reserve the right to like what i do best ;) , but once i started to stop thinking about it in terms of "correct/incorrect" and started to think about it in terms of "matching style/mismatching style" i was much more at peace with not liking to dance with some people, and with some people not enjoying dancing with me.
    It does not solve that problem at practicas when i am activly looking and giving feedback and i am working on stuff - i have basically stopped going to practicas and instead rent a dancefloor once or twice a week, and we work on stuff, and throw in a few privates when there is a good opportunity to make sure that there is an outside perspective and we don't end up with too much group think.

    Gssh
     
  19. Bailamosdance

    Bailamosdance Well-Known Member

    As a non 'argentine' dancer I have a question... if everyone is talking about how Arg Tango has 'no steps' and is a 'feeling', then why is everyone constantly debating 'accuracy' and 'authenticity'? If I go to an Arg Tango Milonga, why is there a need for me to do what everyone else is doing? In my ballroom world, there are levels of quality, but at the social level nobody is expected to 'perform'...

    No animosity here, just need to know;
     
  20. dchester

    dchester Moderator Staff Member

    IMO, not everyone subscribes to the belief that it's just a feeling. Some people are mostly into the embrace, while others are mostly into the steps. Then there are other people (like me) who would like to dance one way to some songs and another way to other songs, (depending on how the music moves them).

    This is one of the main reasons tango people spend so much time arguing and complaining (I think).

    In Buenos Aires, various milongas will cater to one style or another, while in many other places, you get people with differing styles / philosophies at the same milonga.
     
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