Country and Western > Good Country West Coast Music?

Discussion in 'Country and Western' started by vegas4x4, Mar 30, 2007.

  1. Steve Pastor

    Steve Pastor Moderator Staff Member

    You're right. I would automatically dance a two step to this, but...

    Well my name is Stephen I drink cuervo by the gallon,
    And I never back down and I love a good challenge.
    What I do now is what I did then,
    I like to get down with all my rowdy friends.

    So, let's dance WCS to Poor Boy Blues.
    Here's a link to a Chet Atkins version.

    Step, Step, StepCloseStep, StepCloseStep

    Dance it in "your slot". If it looks like a duck, and slots like a duck...

    You have to "slow it down" by dancing to, what? every other beat? It takes a while to rethink it. But it works! Even tried it with my parnter from years ago. I said, "It feels weird." She said, "I don't think it feels weird."

    Lots of WCS teachers used to tell people to NOT equalize the "triples'.
    Coincidently, "Two Step" was taught and danced as StepCloseStep, StepCloseStep as late as 1955. (Still haven't figured out when quickquick slow slow became the norm.)
  2. kayak

    kayak Active Member

    The emphasis in the video on the down beats doesn't make me think of WCS regardless of speed. We could make it happen, but I agree that 2-Step seems like a more natural fit.
  3. Steve Pastor

    Steve Pastor Moderator Staff Member

  4. JohnEm

    JohnEm Well-Known Member

    First point in passing, don't forget to credit Mark Knopfler too.
    The video won't play here but I have the album Neck and Neck anyway.

    I'm interested you think it feels weird but I wish WCS DJs would play
    music like this, so much more energy and interest than much they do.
    And yes, dance the 1 2 to every other beat, the triples on the beat.
    Easy peasy, must be my swing dance experience.

    I've always had the thought that WCS might have first resulted
    from people slowing down Lindy to half speed when the music
    got too fast to dance to. The feel of Lindy sort of goes dead
    but by introducing travel to fill the time and changing the shape,
    WCS emerges.

    And yes, I've certainly got WCSers reluctantly on the floor
    when really fast music is played and surprised them
    just how easy it is, possibly because the result is a dance
    that's slower they're already used to. I'll only pick out music
    that has a steady beat without over emphasis (I'm not a musician,
    I hear it) or complication so the slower rhythm is easier to find.

    Does rockabilly come to mind?
    Might that explain the emergence of
    WCS in the Country & Western scene?

    A Western Swing band from the North of England
    played locally at an outdoor venue one sunny Sunday
    afternoon recently. A group of Lindyers sat out
    the really fast ones. Shame there was no-one there
    to WCS with, I'd have been dancing.
  5. Steve Pastor

    Steve Pastor Moderator Staff Member

    I was bored to tears when I was in LA at two different WCS events where pretty much all they played was the same speed "dancer's blues".
    Interesting that Two Stepable CW tunes are part of the "California Mix". (There really is such a thing, but it wasn't named that by Californians.)

    Hope you can see this video.
    (My sound is on the fritz today!)
    It's Gene Vincent before he affected his leather look and they are dancing.... The leather happened when he spent a bunch of time in England at the suggestion of a manager there. Early rockabillies actually dressed pretty conservatively. Elvis and Bill Haley wore sport coats, for instance!

    1961 “Western Swing (often referred to as Smooth Swing or Sophisticated Swing) is danced with ease to the “too slow for Foxtrot” tempo of 18-25 mpm, and half-time to the “too fast for Jive”-50-60 mpm. This corresponds to slow speeds of 72 - 100 bpm, and fast speeds of 200
    - 240 bpm.

    I became accustomed to listening to different parts of the music as an Argentine Tango dancer. Now I apply those lessons more freely to other dances. Learning about canter rhythm for waltz was also an interesting find for me. Still, sometimes I have to listen and figure out how something will fit when I'm used to dancing the more obvious rhythm.
  6. JohnEm

    JohnEm Well-Known Member

    Yes thanks Steve I can. It's surprising what you can see in that
    even though it's obviously performance dancing.

    In that context it's a performance of a rehearsal as a rehearsal
    for a performance. Err, is that right?

    I think that confirms my thinking?

    As a sometime ballroom dancer too I'm going to have to go searching
    for whatever a canter rhythm is.

    You're right about AT's ability to improve and tune your musical senses.
    It's had all sorts of influences on me, all to the better.
  7. Steve Pastor

    Steve Pastor Moderator Staff Member

    Regarding Hot Rod Gang... Looks like they're dancing Western Swing/West Coast Swing to me!

    They wanted to get Vincent's "Dance to the Bop" in the film, and someone decided to use this "dance rehearsal" as a device.
    Dance to the Bop was something of a hit for Vincent, including reaching #13 on the R&B charts, and as a #40 Best Seller in Stores.

    Use of Single, Double, and Triple Rhythm appears to have been common in the early days. All the written materials put Western Swing at the end of the section on swing dancing, after having covered "simplier" versions of swing/lindy. "lindy" isn't "Lindy hop" BTW.

    There have "always" been "killer dillers" as Benny Goodman and others referred to them, AND less than killer dillers that weren't as fast, but were still swing tunes.
    The fast songs seem to be most favored by Lindy Hoppers.

    Here's the more complete quote from 1960.

    “Western Swing is danced with ease to “too slow for Foxtrot” tempo of 18-25mpm, and half-time to the “too fast for Jive”-50-60 mpm. Such a dance is much needed in this “music for listening era” where such tempos are more often the rule than the exception

    Not sure exactly what he means, though. Changes in popular music, and what people decide to dance to, appears to be pretty complicated.
  8. JohnEm

    JohnEm Well-Known Member

    Well it's slotted, and there's a whip style routine in it.
    But there are other influences in the performance. And despite
    being a performance it seems much more fluid, less restrained
    and less formalised than the WCS I'm used to.

    OK then I'll bite. What is Lindy if it isn't Lindy Hop?

    Well my inference is that bands playing for listening aren't constrained
    by the tempo consistency and range required for dancing.
    So go to a live music event many of the songs would be out of dance
    range. Whereas a dancer who can dance lindy (hop!) and/or modern jive
    plus West Coast can cover pretty much the whole range.

    I definitely saw that potential when the Swing Commanders played here.
  9. someoldsong

    someoldsong New Member

    A couple more fun country songs for WCS:

    "Kicking and Screaming" - Garth Brooks
    "Roll With It" - Easton Corbin
    "Wrapped Around" - Brad Paisley
    "Ticks" - Brad Paisley
  10. plugger

    plugger Member

    JohnEm wrote: What is Lindy if it isn't Lindy Hop?

    Although I can't find any references online at the moment, I've read that some people consider Lindy another name for East Coast Swing or Jitterbug, which I think are about the same thing as American ballroom Swing.
    But there are also Lindy Hopper web sites that sometimes use "Lindy" alone in referring to their own dancer.
    Then there was Hollywood Lindy, which morphed out of Savoy style Lindy Hop and into West Coast Swing. Maybe the hoppers just want to avoid confusion by always using the entire name.
  11. Ray Sison

    Ray Sison New Member

    Thanks for the tips on those! And Welcome to Dance Forums, sameoldsong!

  12. someoldsong

    someoldsong New Member

    Thank you! I really am enjoying reading through some older posts and kind of catching up.

    I had another couple ideas for some Westie songs.

    "The Next Time" - Trent Tomlinson
    "Real Good Man" - Tim Mcgraw

    These are a tad slow but alot of fun
  13. Ray Sison

    Ray Sison New Member

    Well thanks again! And I do like Tim McGraw's songs, so I'll have to check that one and the Tomlinson one as well! :cheers:
  14. Ray Sison

    Ray Sison New Member

    Here are some songs worth trying:

    Reba McEntire: Why Haven't I Heard From You? (111 bpm)

    Kathy Mattea: 455 Rocket (122 bpm)

    Collin Raye: My Kind of Girl (115 bpm)

    Mary Chapin Carpenter: I Feel Lucky (121 bpm)

  15. LCbaseball22

    LCbaseball22 Member

    This looks like a thread right up my alley...I love both Country music and WCS :) I must say though that some of the songs you guys have listed are not country (ie Black Velvet is a sultry rock song) and I'm shocked to not see any mention of Shania Twain! :eek: Over half the songs on her best selling album "Come On Over" and as well as many of Shania's other hits are like perfect West Coast speed. :cool: Speaking of, that's another thing I'm gonna have to take issue with...some of these songs being listed are more East Coast speed and a bit too fast for WCS. I will however dance WCS to pretty much anything up to like 180 bpm though, lol. Anyone tried West Coasting to say Garth Brook's "Ain't Going Down 'Til the Sun Comes Up"? Heh, very exhausting but fun. Anyways, here's some good Country WC music-

    Don't Be Stupid (You Know I Love You)- Shania Twain
    Love Gets Me Everytime- Shania Twain
    (If You're Not In It For Love) I'm Outta Here- Shania Twain
    Man, I Feel Like A Woman- Shania Twain
    You Win My Love- Shania Twain
    That Don't Impress Me Much- Shania Twain
    I'm From the Country- Tracy Byrd
    If It Don't Take Two- Shania Twain
    Whose Bed Have Your Boots Been Under- Shania Twain
    Rock This Country- Shania Twain
    If You Wanna Touch Her, Ask!- Shania Twain
    Whatever You Do, Don't!- Shania Twain
    I Won't Leave You Lonely- Shania Twain
    When- Shania Twain
    Party For Two- Shania Twain ft. Billy Currington

    Those are all in like the 110 to 130 bpm range. :)

    Ok, enough Shania? :p Here's some by other artists...

    Kiss This- Aaron Tippin
    Cowboy Casanova- Carrie Underwood
    Living In Fast Forward- Kenny Chesney
    Safe In The Arms of Love- Martina McBride
    A Little Less Talk and a Lot More Action- Toby Keith
    Rock My World (Little Country Girl) - Brooks and Dunn
    Need You Now- Lady Antebellum
    Looking For a Good Time- Lady Antebellum
    Run To You- Lady Antebellum
    American Honey- Lady Antebellum
    Guys Do It All The Time- Mindy McCready
    Give Me That Wink- Neil McCoy
    Nothing on But the Radio- Gary Allen
    Let's Give Them Something To Talk About- Bonnie Raitt
    She's Got the Rhythm- Alan Jackson
    Down on the Farm- Tim McGraw
    I Like It, I Love It- Tim McGraw
    Real Good Man- Tim McGraw
    I Feel Lucky - Mary Chapin Carpenter
    Shut Up, And Kiss Me - Mary Chapin Carpenter
    Thank God For You - Sawyer Brown
    Fast As You- Dwight Yoakam
    Wild Ride - Dwight Yoakam
    Things That Never Cross a Man's Mind - Kellie Pickler
    Red High Heels- Kellie Pickler
    Me and My Gang- Rascall Flatts
    Rip Off the Knob- Bellamy Brothers
    We Dared The Lightning - Bellamy Brothers
    You Walked In - Lonestar
    No News - Lonestar
    Trouble - Mark Chesnutt
    Take It Back - Reba McEntire
    Why Haven't I Heard From You- Reba McEntire
    Meet in the Middle- Diamond Rio
    Ladies Love Country Boys- Trace Adkins
    Honky Tonk Badonkadonk- Trace Adkins
    All Summer Long- Kid Rock (I know, some of you will probably give me hell for calling this one country but it was featured on CMT and played on country radio stations all over, so yeah...)
  16. LCbaseball22

    LCbaseball22 Member

    Nice, that is one I'd not heard. I'm adding that to my playlist :)
  17. Ray Sison

    Ray Sison New Member

    Nice list!

  18. LCbaseball22

    LCbaseball22 Member



    Oops, I added a few later and I must have been sleepy cause I just looked over my list again and I see a non-Shania song got misplaced :lol: Oh well.
  19. Ray Sison

    Ray Sison New Member

    :cool: I love those Shania songs...
  20. LCbaseball22

    LCbaseball22 Member

    Even "Man, I Feel Like a Woman"? :p

    I've been teased for having that one on my iPod. Haha, I'm like the guy in the middle seat in that Chevy truck commercial. You seen that? Anyways, nice to see others still like her. Gorgeous woman and lovely voice. She kinda disappeared from the scene suddenly a few years back it seems... :(

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