Heheh, yes. Don't forget TT, the 8 - count measure is a European formalism that came to the music and dancing LONG after the rhythms were forged. All the talk of "highly syncopated" is coming from the PoV of someone who counts in equal measures. This morning I was reading some rhythms from the Salsa Guidebook and they look really complex until you think in clave rather than in pulse. I was actually trying to figure out a "better" notation for latin music this morning. So without disrespect to africana, here are the rhythms of conga and bass tumbao with a european's count Conga goes (one) (two)SLAP (three) (four-and)KUM-KUM Bass can vary but usually goes something like (one) + (two) + BOM (three) + (four) BOM + (one) + (two) + BOM (three) + (four) BOM + Put them together and you get (one) (two-and)SLAP-BOM (three) (four-and)BOM-KUM on four, the bass and the KUM sound together, giving the four a heavier feel. This individual beat has a name (is it bomba?) and in some tracks it's quite emphatic. So, while the melodic phrases usually start on one, the real emphasis in the rhythms are 2 (on the 2 side of the clave) and 4 or 2+ on the 3-side. This emphasis, once you hear it, really helps you believe in dancing on 2 - the SLAP makes you want your break step there!