Holistic Health Thread

Discussion in 'Dancers Anonymous' started by pygmalion, May 18, 2012.

  1. pygmalion

    pygmalion Well-Known Member


    Oops. No idea what you do for a living and certainly didn't mean to step on toes.

    Not saying the FDA is a bad thing, just that, as with everything else, there needs to be a balance. AND there's no substitute for being informed and assertive.
     
  2. samina

    samina Well-Known Member

    not stepping on any toes, P... at least, not mine. :)
     
  3. samina

    samina Well-Known Member

    i agree on both accounts.
     
  4. pygmalion

    pygmalion Well-Known Member


    This. Did you ever read about the Amish Diet? The Amish have the lowest level of obesity of any ethnic group in the US. They eat tons of heavy, calorie-laden junk. But they walk 10, 15, 20 miles a day and perform heavy manual labor.

    I wouldn't want to take on the potato and sausage diet, but I think they're onto something with the physical exercise and hard work.

    So I'm back to each world view having its own little gems of wisdom. You have to move it.
     
  5. samina

    samina Well-Known Member

    true. we are "soft" in our western, khuube-dominated culture, and food has become more a means of entertainment, distraction & addiction rather than a means of sustenance.

    but i've got amish/mennonite/penn-dutch on one side of my family and i know what they eat...doesn't get accolades from me.
     
  6. pygmalion

    pygmalion Well-Known Member



    Exactly. Wouldn't take on the diet, but there's nothing to stop me from emulating just the exercise piece of the lifestyle. But I do, from time to time, want to have an occasional piece of shoo-fly pie. :wink:


    ETA: I spent the first 10(?) years of my adult life residing in PA Dutch country/culture -- not Amish, but PA Dutch. That was the first time in my life that I'd seen so many morbidly obese people under age 30. I'd never seen anything like it. Ever. You may be able to get away with potatoes and sausage if you're walking twenty miles a day and doing farm labor. If you're sitting on your butt in a cube, no. Just no.
     
  7. pygmalion

    pygmalion Well-Known Member

    Oh yeah and every time I've visited Africa, I've lost 7 - 10 pounds in two weeks without ever being hungry. People there walk everywhere.

    Just a thought.
     
  8. fascination

    fascination Site Moderator Staff Member

    my son lost 66 pounds in 8 months in Africa...largely due to walking everywhere
     
  9. samina

    samina Well-Known Member

    exactly. it's quite remarkable. i think it's good evidence as to how damaging processed carbs are. IMO they are worse than eating non-organic, and so addictive.

    this past week, i made my fave spaghetti and enjoyed a massive plate of it... was delicious. but i do not at all like the consequences of eating that food. am glad it has become a rarity for me, though i love it.
     
  10. samina

    samina Well-Known Member

    in greece as well...

    i love that lifestyle.
     
  11. DL

    DL Well-Known Member

    You dragged the FDA into this. I think there's no need to talk about it at all.

    My only point is that stuff on herbal supplement shelves isn't always reliably what it claims to be, and consumers should be cautious of it. As in, (1) sometimes it doesn't contain what it purports to contain and (2) sometimes it contains toxins such as arsenic. For examples, do a web search for: herbal supplement contamination arsenic.

    I don't want to have a debate over whether regulation by a federal agency is appropriate. I just think it's important for consumers to be informed about what is/isn't regulated, and to thoughtfully and skeptically assure themselves of the safety of substances they consume.
     
  12. pygmalion

    pygmalion Well-Known Member

    Yep to everyone here.

    I think consumers should do their very best to be informed and then be free to make informed decisions about things that impact their health.

    More complicated than it sounds. Shouldn't be, but it is. *shrug* :cool:
     
  13. samina

    samina Well-Known Member

    not sure why you are revisiting this -- i responded and had nothing else to say along the lines of our discussion. and i agreed that all should be informed about their choices.

    as for the FDA, i used the name because that is the entity that would deliver the kind of control and oversight you were highlighting as not being present. i don't recall doing any "dragging". it was relevant to your comments.
     
  14. pygmalion

    pygmalion Well-Known Member

    Another thing that I researched for other people and ignored for myself is exercise at the desk, in the cube. I'll go and try to find some of those links again. There's some really cool information out there about stuff like short breathing exercises, stretches and even squats or light weight-lifting you can do at your desk, to do everything from just relax for a minute to actually build muscle tone.
     
  15. fascination

    fascination Site Moderator Staff Member

    most of the really fit people I know who work in an office eat at their desk and then power walk or workout on their lunch....the truth of the mater is that you can't expect to stay fit if you have a sedantrary job, unless you commit yourself to a minimum of a half an hour of cardio three times a week and that is really a MINIMUM
     
  16. samina

    samina Well-Known Member

    i've tried those things and for me it doesn't really work, though i appreciate all the suggestions made by ergonomic specialists to give yourself certain kinds of breaks (stretching, breathing, eye focus) throughout the day.

    for me, *leaving* the office, even for a short power-walk or a few runs up and down the stairs, works best.

    and for real fitness...as long as i schedule that stuff before work or in the evenings, i generally show up and get it done. i agree with fasc...a sedentary job takes its toll and needs to be purposefully countered for fitness not to be lost.
     
  17. pygmalion

    pygmalion Well-Known Member

    True. Absolutely. I was just googling to find those links and came across a weight loss article which said that 30 minutes 3X a week is for maintenance -- to prevent you from gaining weight. If you want to exercise to lose weight, you have to go over and above that amount of exercise. (According to the article, which I think came from a Reader's Digest summary article.)

    And, once you make that commitment, little, cliched things can also help -- things that everybody's heard a billion times -- parking at the far end of the lot and walking to your desk, taking the stairs instead of the elevator. These are not going to make you fit all by themselves, but they sure can't hurt. It all adds up, in one direction or the other.
     
  18. samina

    samina Well-Known Member

    there are indeed lots of tools out there along those lines, now -- all kinds of podcasts & little vids... "at your desk yoga" and such.

    you know what my fave daily practice at work would be if i could get away with it? just put some music on and dance. :)

    "3 o'clock <insert favorite dance> break"

    y'know, come to think of it...not a half-bad idea. what if i started offering salsa lessons, for example, at work? i could introduce a 3 o'Clock Salsa Break" for real. that would be some added value in the pursuit of holistic health, i'd say! :D

    i bet i could get people to show up for it, too...
     
  19. pygmalion

    pygmalion Well-Known Member

    I do have to add, though, that, even though it definitely did not add to my aerobic fitness, the habit i once had of doing fairly deep stretches while at my desk helped me SO MUCH. I was going through a tough time emotionally, and the neck, back and shoulder stretches that I got from (I think it's called) stretching for dummies, kept me from petrifying and turning into a creepy-looking, bent over old lady. I supplemented with bi-weekly deep tissue massage (OUCH!) and monthly chiropractic appointments and the three got me through the worst time of my life.

    Can't say enough good stuff about deep tissue massage, btw. I've been know to cry on the table and be sore the next day, but, overall, I've never experienced such a feeling of physical ... harmony? For some reason, that's the word that came to me. Harmony in my limbs and core.
     
  20. pygmalion

    pygmalion Well-Known Member


    I bet you could. :-D
     

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