Sacadas for Dummies

Discussion in 'Tango Argentino' started by Mario7, Jan 5, 2013.

  1. Mladenac

    Mladenac Active Member

    I don't want to have a contact in legs while performing sacada cause it would alter flowing line of a free leg therefore
    it would be more difficult to anticipate further leg movement. :)

    Leg contact may happen but it's not a primary motive of doing sacada.
    My primary motive is give a sensation of flying free leg. ;)
     
  2. Mladenac

    Mladenac Active Member

    I don't even use contact in linear ones maybe accidentaly.
    I go with my torso into the space first so sacada happens.
    It's very important to be sensitive about leading in with a torso,
    if not properly some kind of contact might happen.

    Sacada is rather advanced movement cause feeling of followers movement is required.
    I would add that when I lead sacada I try to follow partner into her movement more carefully cause
    I don't want to influence her balance.
     
  3. bordertangoman

    bordertangoman Well-Known Member

    Then you don't understand; if you are walking in a straight line and she is in front of you, what would cause her leg to move other than a normal step?

    answer; your leg displacing hers; minimal torso involvement.

    you could after add some torso movement to create a boleo or her to cross behind, or you could leave those things out and just get a small movement of her leg.

    Her balance won't be affected; if her leg is relaxed at the hip.
     
  4. Mladenac

    Mladenac Active Member

    What does straight line mean in forward walking means to you?
    I don't get enough information from your post to understand what you mean.
     
  5. bordertangoman

    bordertangoman Well-Known Member

    How do you describe a linear sacada?, maybe we are talking about different things?

     
  6. UKDancer

    UKDancer Well-Known Member

    For me, there is an illusion in a sacada, and it is that is of the intruding leg directly creating the displacement and resulting swing of the partner's leg.

    I think more in terms of moving bodily into a space which my partner hasn't quite finished with, as [she] moves to a new place. The placing of my intruding leg prevents the collection of my partner's feet following her resulting step by the most direct route: my own leg is in between, and the leg has to take a longer path around. I usually do aim for some gentle leg contact, but it was the commitment of my upper body into a place being departed from by my partner that actually creates the need to swing the leg somewhat, and if I've timed it right (and it's painful disaster if I get there early), there is no weight remaining in my partner's leg by the time we 'meet'. I use my leg as a gentle lever, but the leverage comes from my body (as does the lead for everything else) ...
     
  7. Mario7

    Mario7 Member

    Have any women posted yet? ;)
     
  8. Peaches

    Peaches Well-Known Member

    One of my all time favorite things to have led. *swoon*
     
  9. Mladenac

    Mladenac Active Member

    Check what is led on 12. & 13 sec. and 26, 27,28 sec in the video.

    How do you call that??
     
  10. Mario7

    Mario7 Member

    Funny, that video of 'linear' sacadas is one type for which I got applause for doing when I took a series of 'Nuevo' classes...but, it never helped me as I only dance close embrace and never break the embrace....I'm not able to do a single sacada consistently with confidence. I just occasionally come close.. perhaps, someone could suggest which sacada would be the easiest to first master in close-embrace? (note: I've been dancing for over four years and I'm not bad at all... many times, partners have told me that I'm the most musical dancer in the room.)
     
  11. bordertangoman

    bordertangoman Well-Known Member


    as it says as in the title of the video :rolleyes:
     
  12. UKDancer

    UKDancer Well-Known Member

    Lead the follower to a cross while in cross system, and while she crosses LF over RF, cross your own LF behind your RF. Then lead the follower to uncross into a giro to her R, starting with her RF to side (then LF back). Just as she lands her RF and before she starts to collect her LF towards her RF, step with your own LF fwd, making gentle contact with her trailing L leg, causing it to swing out, a little, before continuing back into the giro. It works fine in a more open embrace too.
     
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  13. AndaBien

    AndaBien Well-Known Member

    I think the very first sacada shown in the video is easy to do in close embrace. Maybe it's even easier in close embrace, because the leader is so close to his partner.

    Another easy one is similar to the one above, but with the leader walking to the partner's left side.
     
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  14. Mario7

    Mario7 Member

    thank you, I'm thinking there's a typo here and you mean to say; 'step with your own RF fwd,'
     
  15. Mario7

    Mario7 Member

    Walking cross footed and sort of leaning out to the side you are stepping with and nudging the woman's standing leg. ?
     
  16. Mario7

    Mario7 Member

    What I believe I've learned so far is that I have to pay much more attention to my upper torso and less to my leg. mil gracias
     
  17. UKDancer

    UKDancer Well-Known Member

    Duh! Yes, sorry!
     
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  18. Peaches

    Peaches Well-Known Member

    Linear sacadas (what was shown in the video) are perfectly doable in close embrace.
     
  19. AndaBien

    AndaBien Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure what you mean by "leaning out". I wouldn't say that about doing sacadas.

    Standing leg could be misunderstood in this context. You do any sacada on the leg that was the standing leg a moment before, but is no longer.
     
  20. dchester

    dchester Moderator Staff Member

    Mario, are you talking about sacadas while walking, sacadas in a turn (giro), or both?
     

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