Swayback....is it really a bad thing?

Discussion in 'Ballroom Dance' started by SwingWaltz, Jan 9, 2009.

  1. Josh

    Josh Active Member

    But I think you would see the result of it, which is a shorter back. You may not see the "dip," but the overall length of the back would physically have to be shorter... I know because I am fighting this same battle right now :)
  2. tangotime

    tangotime Well-Known Member



    Its a " compacted " change of direction., and yes, her 1st heel turn was sloppy...
  3. Josh

    Josh Active Member

    With so much swing, I think she did pretty good there, though she did not completely close-- lots of women would LOVE to be able to do such a "sloppy" heel turn! ;-)
  4. tangotime

    tangotime Well-Known Member



    That is the same principle that was used in the 30s / 40s, not quite as pronounced, but, never the less the same .

    The fwd " pitch ", many felt, was a more naturally aligned body stance, predicated on how we walk ( it did get slightly overstated at times .)
  5. katandmouse

    katandmouse New Member

    Perfect. Glad to hear this makes sense now. And I like the way you explain it.

    Don't you feel funny saying Luca has a misalignment? That's like saying God has a snotty nose. :) The beauty of it though is you can have a deviation and still be great! OMG, what a wonderful ah ha moment that is for me! There's hope!

    You can call me Kat, by the way.
  6. katandmouse

    katandmouse New Member

    According to my trainer, this is not hard to fix. He's supposed to pop in here. When he does, ask him how.
  7. Josh

    Josh Active Member

    Trainer as in "workout" or "personal trainer"? I am going to do a bit of pilates soon (used to do it years ago) and see how it feels.
  8. katandmouse

    katandmouse New Member

    Neither. He is a corrective exercise specialist and flexibility expert. He used to specialize in just dancers. His speciality now is muscle balancing for everyone. He'll tell you more if he ever joins in. He doesn't have a website yet. But he's been promising it for years, so it's probably coming any day now. :)

    Pilates is great. I work with a private teacher every week and do my homework every day. My pilates teacher is phenomenal. Not your normal trainer. She is also trained in neuro-muscular reprogramming. Find one who does that if you can.
  9. waltzguy

    waltzguy Active Member

    I'm reviving this thread because I recently took a lesson with a visiting instructor. This instructor has told me that I need to keep my hips more forward, and have a flat back. She tells me that I should not be showing any curve in my low back, as a result of the hips forward. The reason for this is for contact with the partner.

    This is very uncomfortable for me, since I naturally have a noticeable curve at my back. I know we don't want to stick our butts out, but I'm wondering if this "flat back" message is too extreme. If dancing is a lot like walking in some sense, I want to walk around with a natural curve in my back.

    Need help on this.

    Are you around, Dancepro?
  10. NonieS

    NonieS Well-Known Member

    I have been told by many teachers in all sorts of dance styles not to force myself to lose the natural curve of my back... obviously, that is to say, I am not to stick my rear out... but to force myself to flatten my back, i can throw off my proper vertical alignment. Plus, it is not comfortable... that is my $.02
  11. btfgus

    btfgus Member

    When this stance (ribs more forward, hips released) was first introduced to me it made so much sense. Not only did it lend to my natural non-dancing stance but I could conclude that the body bears weight most efficiently with the curve of the lower back in tact, not trying to dilute it or flatten it out. Swing was more effortless as the pelvis was in a neutral position or as some say a "state of flux".

    Contact with the partner does not have to be at the hip level, but can be higher towards the rib cage leaving the pelvis free. Lengthening the centre or front should take care of the contact or connection.
  12. Chris Stratton

    Chris Stratton New Member

    There's natural curve in the spine, but then there's also un-natural curve, which could either be something picked up with dancing, or something inherited from daily life.

    The picked up from dancing sort is usually either an attempt to create 'shape' in an uninformed way, or an attempt to maintain body contact by protruding the belly to cover any gap due to insufficient foot skills to permit more close coordination.

    The inherited from daily life form can have many causes ranging from habit to medical condition.
  13. fascination

    fascination Site Moderator Staff Member

    I discovered recently that this is an issue of mine and dearly wish it had been noticed sooner...am constantly asking if my back is elongated enough now...sigh
  14. AndaBien

    AndaBien Well-Known Member

    As distinct from style, what about structure? I've danced for 45 years and I have a sway back (lordosis). It's gradually becoming rather painful.
  15. fascination

    fascination Site Moderator Staff Member

    I do alot of pelvic tilts at the gym and lower back exercises and stretches to keep that area in good shape
  16. waltzguy

    waltzguy Active Member

    I'm reading multiple people indicate that natural = good, which I agree with 100%. Therefore, I would tend to question the validity of intentionally flattening out the back, something that neither feels effective nor comfortable.

    And yes I agree that contact can be above the waistline. I think it ultimately depends on the form-fit-function of the specific couple in question. To force anything absolute, such as, you shall straighten out the back, is (I repeat) questionable.

    But what do I know.
  17. Chris Stratton

    Chris Stratton New Member

    It all depends on if what is "natural" is ultimately healthy, or if it's a bad habit or medical pathology...

    What is natural for one person may be great; what is natural as in typical in everyday life for another may be problematic, both for dancing and ultimately for everyday life.
  18. QPO

    QPO New Member

    the biggest issue I have with my sway back is then my bottom can stick out, so I contanstly have to be awre that I put my hips forward. Constant challenge :p

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