Tails or "Dokman's"

Discussion in 'Ballroom Dance' started by DanceMentor, Oct 13, 2007.

  1. etp777

    etp777 Active Member

    Nonie and all the other lovely ladies here have spoken, I"ll go for tails. :)

    They do fit the movement of the body better though, as mentioned by Chris, I believe.

    Actually, as a proam smooth dancer, I don't wear either, go for a fitted vest and black shirt.
  2. dancelvr

    dancelvr Well-Known Member

    etp - always love the look of the black shirt and fitted vest....yum! ;-)



    Now, as I'm not a guy, I probably shouldn't comment on this subject, but if I'm watching or participated in standard, the tails are a necessary part of the picture for me. There is something to be said for tradition. I'd surely hate to see that one disappear. *sigh*
  3. Chiron

    Chiron New Member

    Same here! :D

    Actually I do prefer the look of tails. That being said my personal style tends more towards the 'classical'. For example, I like three piece suits, double windsor knots, and I want to get married in tails.
  4. Warren J. Dew

    Warren J. Dew Well-Known Member

    The only reason not to use tails is if your lady is so much better than you are that you don't want the judges looking at you.
  5. contracheck

    contracheck New Member

    What color tie blends well with black shirt and black vest, red, white, black, or?
  6. White Chacha

    White Chacha Active Member

    Tails for standard.
  7. dancelvr

    dancelvr Well-Known Member


    Hmmmm.....well, I've seen my pro wear a red tie with the black shirt and vest. A rich dark blue would look nice as well.... or a deep purple, perhaps? :) I've also seen it done with a richly textured/patterned black silk tie. However, I think my pro only wears a tie / vest combination for bronze or below pro/am smooth competitions and showcases.

    .....oh yeah...and loved your white tux. ;-)
  8. hereKittyKitty

    hereKittyKitty Administrator Staff Member

    Tails for sure in competition. If its a show then either or.
  9. contracheck

    contracheck New Member

    I think a red tie goes well with a black shirt. Do any other people have any other idea? Btw, thanks for your comment on the white tux. I wonder how much etp is will to pay for it now.
  10. drejenpha

    drejenpha Member


    I personally wear a silver tie... I would wear red if my partner was in red and I could find a red to match, and possibly a white tie if my partner were wearing white.

    Have to thank Chiron for making me learn to tie a double windsor as well... not sure if the ties that I own are long enough for that knot, but I'll have to look at it wearing a vest.
  11. Chris Stratton

    Chris Stratton New Member

    A business suit or tuxedo type of cut is actually longer than a tailcoat in terms of the enclosed part, and so it can never fit a moving, shaping body as well as a good tail suit does.
  12. etp777

    etp777 Active Member

    I go with one of two ties. One is black with silver metallic threads shot through it, other is white with black and silver stripes.

    I tend to go with a single windsor. Prefer a four in hand, nice, devil may care type look, but short as I am, most ties are too long to just do a four in hand.
  13. Standarddancer

    Standarddancer Well-Known Member

    Another vote for tail, I agree with Nonie said, tail flows nicely behind gentleman's back, enhance movement, a very matched look with lady's flowy dress, definitely tail for comp! for show Jacket is cool
  14. JoepiE

    JoepiE New Member

    Like I said I cut of my tails some time ago and am a happy jacket wearer. I understand the movement argument, but think it doesn't matter, if a lady wears a good dress (with floats eg). Then, if the jacket is well made, it will fit the body good, even when twisting or stretching sides. Though it will never fit as well as a well made tails jacket off course.

    The deciding argument for me was that it is the only possibility to be stand out of the crowd for me as man. Besides that i think the suit looks a lot better and it is modern as opposed to ... ancient history ;).

    Just to be clear on this, i'm not talking about a smoking type of jacket. That will be cut way to low in the front to ever stick to the body in movement. I've seen those on the floor a couple of times and they gap at the front in big twists. The jacketsuit is a double breasted jacket.
  15. White Chacha

    White Chacha Active Member

    I'd love to hear what adjudicators have to say about this for Standard. It's my impression that they place lower because it looks "off" to them.
  16. Joe

    Joe Well-Known Member

    Yes, but is it that it's incongruous, or that it detracts from the look?
  17. White Chacha

    White Chacha Active Member

    Your question begs mine - what do actual adjudicators think? Maybe this is one for Larinda's "ask a judge" topic.
  18. famfam

    famfam Member

    wearing a regular jacket (not tails) for standard at competition?

    I'm talking about a jacket made for dance.


    For example:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmrGNp40Qzg&feature=related

    I know this is at a showcase, so it might be different...?

    But is it reasonable to wear a "dance jacket" that would work for smooth and standard for competition? I'm talking about gold level for example.
  19. Leon Theou

    Leon Theou Active Member

    I know that I have seen some guys in gold and open at collegiate competitions wearing the same non-tail suit for both smooth and standard. Probably those who focus on smooth are more likely to do this. I don't know how judges in non-collegiate comps would view it, but there is certainly no rule against it.
  20. MissKitty

    MissKitty New Member

    The rules here (NZ) state that a Tail suit is compulsory for any level higher than Level 1. (Level 1 being the 'beginner/entry' level, dancing syllabus only) for adults & seniors.

    Juniors (12-15 years) are not allowed Tail suits, and are only permitted to wear the type of dance suit jacket that is similar I think to what you folks wear for American Smooth. Or a shirt, vest & Tie.

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