Techniques across international and American styles

Discussion in 'Ballroom Dance' started by Jongleur9418, Jul 1, 2013.

  1. Mr 4 styles

    Mr 4 styles Well-Known Member

    why am I NOT surprised:eek::D:kiss:
  2. smidra86

    smidra86 Active Member

    Lol. You know me so well.
  3. Mr 4 styles

    Mr 4 styles Well-Known Member

    it sure seems that way LOL
  4. DanceMentor

    DanceMentor Administrator

    Much depends on the quality of your American or International instruction. I think American is getting much more developed now, thanks in part to what dancers in other parts of the World contributed. I will say that I have encountered many American style dancers that had been dancing a few years and still couldn't do a Closed Natural or Reverse Turn very well or at all. I don't blame the style, but rather their emphasis was on dancing the "normal" social steps everyone else was dancing. That said, with proper instruction, Closed Natural and Reverse Turns can be danced socially and beautifully too.
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  5. Mr 4 styles

    Mr 4 styles Well-Known Member

    smooth yes rhythm not so much
  6. DanceMentor

    DanceMentor Administrator


    If you look at what most of the rhythm pros are doing these days, they take lessons from the top latin coaches.
  7. Mr 4 styles

    Mr 4 styles Well-Known Member

    that's because the top rhytym coaches don't teach a lot .. or own a studio in mesa az:D
  8. smidra86

    smidra86 Active Member

    You also have to look at a lot of franchises who bring dancers from overseas over who then are taught to teach american style. So they apply what they know about Latin to rhythm because you can easily do that in smooth, yet it really isn't right and it makes rhythm just seem like bad Latin which its not.
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  9. bia

    bia Active Member

    At a recent comp, I heard a friend talking about how frustrated he was about big differences in his rhythm placements from different judges. I looked them up -- the judges who were way high level latin folks consistently placed him 5th or 6th, and all the other judges consistently placed him 1st or 2nd. Seems like those judges wanted his rhythm to look more like latin.
  10. debmc

    debmc Well-Known Member

    I think that is changing. At the last few comps I went to I saw virtually all rhythm competitors doing more 'American' style technique.
  11. Mr 4 styles

    Mr 4 styles Well-Known Member

    even the top pros have finally caught on!! at millennium the top three pro couples looked way more American that last year esp the couple from FL
  12. smidra86

    smidra86 Active Member

    Peter and Sasha Perzhu? o_O
  13. Mr 4 styles

    Mr 4 styles Well-Known Member

    I was as shocked as you:D
  14. smidra86

    smidra86 Active Member

    Well I'm not shocked. I felt that their rhythm has been more rhythm-y.... although they used to be (as I have been told by another DFer) the only couple who did smooth and latin, so prob some latin transferred over to their rhythm
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  15. Mr 4 styles

    Mr 4 styles Well-Known Member

    yeah that happens alot but needs to go away glad they did that
  16. Jongleur9418

    Jongleur9418 Member

    I started this tread a few weeks ago, and learned a lot from the feedbacks. I have been working on international waltz since then and made some progress on both smooth and standard waltz. My instructor now suggested to move on to other international dances. To this point, I need a more coherent strategy for my learning process:

    1) to continue fine tuning waltz till reaches a more advanced (say, silver) level
    2) to move on to other standard dances for techniques
    3) to go back to American smooth for integrating techniques
    Or something in between.

    My goal is a good social dancer. I mainly dance with my hubby who started learning American with me from the beginning, and who prefers to stay in American till getting more solid on each dance in bronze level. (about 6-8 dances)

    Given this overall situation, I really need your advices to think about next step and beyond.

    Thank you in advance!


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  17. Mr 4 styles

    Mr 4 styles Well-Known Member

    all of the above just on different days!
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  18. DancingMommy

    DancingMommy Active Member

    At the highest levels, there's fairly little difference between Standard and Smooth. Good closed-hold (classic) technique is good closed-hold technique.
  19. Warren J. Dew

    Warren J. Dew Well-Known Member

    I would suggest two things:

    1. Take lessons as a couple with your husband so you not only learn to dance better, but you learn to dance better with each other. You may need to search a little to find an instructor who teaches a couple as a couple rather than just teaching the individuals within the couple.

    2. Failing that, ask your instructor to show you how to apply what you've learned in international waltz to American waltz. This shouldn't be a problem unless if your instructor knows American style as well as international style.
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  20. Smooth Dancer

    Smooth Dancer Active Member

    All that follows is strictly my opinion based on several years of "social dancing" followed by transition into competitive dancesport, primarily international. If your goals are social dancing with your husband, launching into a full, aggressive course of international training is probably overkill. From day 1, international style targets full, competitive form and style (one of its great advantages!), takes many years to master, and, frankly, leaves you with a dance that doesn't "fit" well on many American social dance floors.

    From your stated goals, American style is probably much better. However, bronze American seems to be overly "socialized" in many venues with an emphasis on "steps" and, shall we charitably say, a "relaxed" style and technique. (In American silver, at least from what I've seen, it USUALLY gets more serious.)

    Social dancing with one's spouse can indeed benefit from a degree of international instruction. Mainly, you want to move well and comfortably together, and look pretty good to those watching. Spending some time in international can certainly help here. (Note, however, that some instructors insist on the same rigor of style and technique in bronze American, which serves the same end.)

    I look at the rigor of international as filling a "style and technique" hole that I have seen in at least some American bronze instruction.
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