1. I have lead both of them in ballroom. I realize that is a different art from from AT, but if they don't follow in BR, I can't imagine they follow any better in AT. They are, literally clueless. I'm a good leader, so it's not that they can't follow me. Also, they are physically uncomfortable to dance with--crush your hand, lean on you, you feel like you're pushing a wheelbarrow full of bricks and the wheel is flat, etc. 2. I know other people well who have danced BR or WCS with them. These men, who are good leaders, confirmed that they do not follow and are uncomfortable to dance with. 3. If you mention their names to any local tango dancers who have been around for any length of time, including well-respected instructors, they roll their eyes and gag. 4. I realize having a background in BR gets me no respect in this world, but I am a professional and have taught MANY couples over the years. I can see when a follower is disconnected and doing her own thing. 5. Their posture and styling is hideous. Several of you said leaders want to dance with women who make them look good, if I recall correctly. Does that help set the picture for you?