Ballroom Dance > Why do women bother to learn to dance?

Discussion in 'Ballroom Dance' started by KevinL, Apr 29, 2004.

  1. tsb

    tsb Well-Known Member

    i should get credit for about 8-9 posts with this one. but i'm comfortable remaining a member of the bourgeoisie (sp?)

    some don't - and in my experience without going into details (i can if you really MUST know :LOL: and actually i just posted quite a bit about some of it another topic about dating non dancers) it seems that they either want an escort (so that they don't get hit on) OR want to be taking dance lessons with their guy. maybe the converse is true - they just want to learn to dance - or they're doing it for social reasons?

    i concur with this wholeheartedly. there was an interesting article in sports illustrated concerning the women's soccer program at the university of north carolina. i recommend it to everyone who has a vested interest in having females working together towards any sort of goal. the anecdote that i recall most vividly concerns the coach's decision to have a professional come in and lead the stretching exercises before practice. the team's performance took a serious nosedive and did not return to their previous level until he returned to the previous unstructured stretching. the coach noted that teammates were getting into established 2-3 person groups and socializing, and connecting - which improved morale as well as strengthened team cohesiveness - it was another observation of the coach that his female team members would not pass the ball to a teammate they didn't like - regardless of how skilled the player was. i believe this also helps us guys to understand why women can enjoy dancing simple figures - as long as they like the person that they're dancing with - which leads to the segue to:

    it might also explain why they don't go for lessons until they're in relationship with someone.

    i imagine this to be a common response for a lot of people in DF - regardless of gender - who have pursued dance. and we understand that it's all it is when we ask someone to dance - a dance. but dancing may represent something different to someone else depending on their spiritual convictions, cultural background, even some traumatic incident in their past, etc. it took me a while to be comfortable with salsa - still avoid strictly salsa venues but i can pleasantly surprise the occasional latina guilty of racially profiling this asian born & raised in ohio!

    my take is that they're far more likely to be interested in other guys - maybe not the ones in ballroom, though.

    your loss - 27 girls, 3 guys in my class & lots of dates with slim, limber women...

    me too

    you do vintage too, though, right? try a waltz followed by a schottische to "lucy in the sky with diamonds" by the beatles

    i dunno, it's a pretty steep learning curve for a guy IMO. maybe it's more a case of the advanced male dancers "sharking" in beginning & intermediate classes for the hotties and removing themselves from circulation socially?

    plus those women who elect not to pursue dance aren't here to respond.

    i had a co-worker who actually told his girlfriend that he danced with her the first time they met just so he could get into her pants the next time they went dancing after they, uh, you know - and he refused to dance! they actually got married, too.

    i can usually identify the ballroom dancers with ballet training because they don't unlearn the toe point.
  2. Flat Shoes

    Flat Shoes New Member

    hmmmm.... :D

    Too me it's more than 'just swing'. I do mainly Lindy Hop. Lindy Hop is very flexible, everything from fast, flashy and with arials to slow, smooth and sexy. Also, when doing Lindy it comes natural do related stuff like the Balboa and Blues, if one wants to. In Lindy there's also Charleston and Shag moves, which makes it natural to learn some of these dances too. And of course there are different types of swing, like West Coast, East Coast and Boogie Woogie if you live in Europe. So there's much more to it than just swing.

    And of course, there's nothing stopping me from doing a little Argentine Tango on the side. :D

    Nothing wrong with Ballroom (except the lack of aerials :p ), but just to show that swing do have a lot of variations to offer for the interested.
  3. peachexploration

    peachexploration New Member

    Well, I can understand that. Maybe they were both learning to dance for the same reasons. Nothing wrong with that at all. But if you're serious about dancing, there will be another whole can of worms happening later. :( You know, that question after being together six years later and unhappy, "Why don't you dance with me anymore?" Which is another reason why men and women may not have partners. Different goals, different desires, etc.
  4. KevinL

    KevinL New Member

    Wow, I need to ask pointedly obnoxious questions more often. Five pages of responses since I logged off yesterday seems like a record.

    I "know" why women "bother to learn" to dance. Women (and men) learn to dance because they want to, but everyone wants to learn for different reasons. It looks like fun to watch, you dance and endorphins are released and it's a lot of fun so you do it again. That's why women (and men) learn to dance, in my opinion.

    Thanks for all the replies!

  5. Kitty

    Kitty New Member

    Very interesting thoughts.

    In my experience it is girls who get bored and drop out, but it is guys who stick with the team and don't improve much and don't work too hard.

    On SBU team there actually are more guys than girls (SBU is a big science/engineering school) . However most guys we have suck! Most girls - don't. out of people who started this year only 3 guys are serious about their dancing and are pretty good, 4 girls are serious and very good, the rest of girls are almost all very good too and the guys - they stay with the team because it is fun: people are fun, activities are fun, and they want to find girlfriends:). So we have more guys than girls, and at the same time I didn't have a partner for samba at MIT and had to dance with a girl, while many girls (me included) didn't get as good marks and placings as they could if their partner was at their level.
    But I guess there is nothing special about this situation as we can't expect pairs of people to be at the same level - someone is always better than other.
  6. Kitty

    Kitty New Member

    Re: Why many more girls are Gold Level Dancers

  7. tsb

    tsb Well-Known Member

    i do aerials, dips & drops in salsa. and there are lindy tunes that i think make a better foxtrot...
  8. rails

    rails New Member

    You're kidding, right? In probably 90% of the classes, clubs and dances I've been to, the men outnumber the women. Sometimes by ridiculous amounts. I remember going to a Salsa class last month where there were 12 women and 8 men. I still haven't gotten over the shock. 4 extra women! I don't think such a thing has ever been seen before or since in San Francisco.

    I know this thread's in the ballroom forum. Unfortunately, my ballroom experience is limited to a single month of classes. One week we had one extra woman, another week one extra man. The other two weeks we were even. Based on my experience with other dances it was cause for a celebration inside my head. Usually, I spend a lot of time in classes standing around while I wait my turn to practice with the few available followers.

    As you can guess, this thread didn't make much sense to me in the first place since here, anyway, many more men than women are interested in learning to dance.
  9. Chris Stratton

    Chris Stratton New Member

    I think the 27 vs. 3 was from someone's BALLET class, not ballroom or salsa.
  10. spatten

    spatten Member


    Jazz classes are like that too! There were only "2" guys in my class. You get the great ratio - without the dance belt.

  11. rails

    rails New Member

    Oops. Thanks. I read "ballet" as "ballroom." The rest of my post is still okay, I guess. The male/female ratio observation about salsa applies to tango and lindy hop here as well.
  12. DancePoet

    DancePoet Well-Known Member


    Regarding your comment about Warren's statement, how would you define a guy that is serious about dancing?
  13. pygmalion

    pygmalion Well-Known Member

    I'm so glad you said that, Kevin. I was beginning to wonder. :wink: :lol:
  14. pygmalion

    pygmalion Well-Known Member

    I think tsb is playing mind games with us all. He went down a list of everyone's posts and gave semi-controversial replies. Methinks the man is playing devil's advocate. Either that, or he was really tired when he made his mega-post. :twisted: :wink: :lol: :D

    Men who are serious about dance are ... serious about dance. There are no other conclusions one can draw without further info, IMHO. 8)
  15. jon

    jon Member

    Word. Shortly after moving out here I went to salsa classes at Alberto's and was confronted with a 14:4 ratio - of which two couples were partnered up and not rotating, leaving a 6:1 ratio for the rest of us. I gave up on the local salsa scene at that point. It's a bit lead-heavy in local WCS and ballroom classes, but not insane like that.
  16. jon

    jon Member

    And vice-versa, as there's no such thing as a "lindy tune" or "foxtrot tune" - just music which happens to be suitable for those dances, and DJs who very well may not care whether a non-X dancer thinks the music they play is better suited to something other than X.
  17. pygmalion

    pygmalion Well-Known Member

    Yup. Tons more leads in the salsa (class) scene here, too. They have to resort to bribing women to attend class. LOL. Works for me. :wink: :lol:
  18. tsb

    tsb Well-Known Member

    i thought i deleted this reply. hmm.
  19. pygmalion

    pygmalion Well-Known Member

    Yeah, tsb, Chris and rails caught that and corrected it. 8)
  20. tsb

    tsb Well-Known Member

    <edit & SNIP> since i can't seem to delete this effectively. <sigh>

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