i should get credit for about 8-9 posts with this one. but i'm comfortable remaining a member of the bourgeoisie (sp?) some don't - and in my experience without going into details (i can if you really MUST know :LOL: and actually i just posted quite a bit about some of it another topic about dating non dancers) it seems that they either want an escort (so that they don't get hit on) OR want to be taking dance lessons with their guy. maybe the converse is true - they just want to learn to dance - or they're doing it for social reasons? i concur with this wholeheartedly. there was an interesting article in sports illustrated concerning the women's soccer program at the university of north carolina. i recommend it to everyone who has a vested interest in having females working together towards any sort of goal. the anecdote that i recall most vividly concerns the coach's decision to have a professional come in and lead the stretching exercises before practice. the team's performance took a serious nosedive and did not return to their previous level until he returned to the previous unstructured stretching. the coach noted that teammates were getting into established 2-3 person groups and socializing, and connecting - which improved morale as well as strengthened team cohesiveness - it was another observation of the coach that his female team members would not pass the ball to a teammate they didn't like - regardless of how skilled the player was. i believe this also helps us guys to understand why women can enjoy dancing simple figures - as long as they like the person that they're dancing with - which leads to the segue to: it might also explain why they don't go for lessons until they're in relationship with someone. i imagine this to be a common response for a lot of people in DF - regardless of gender - who have pursued dance. and we understand that it's all it is when we ask someone to dance - a dance. but dancing may represent something different to someone else depending on their spiritual convictions, cultural background, even some traumatic incident in their past, etc. it took me a while to be comfortable with salsa - still avoid strictly salsa venues but i can pleasantly surprise the occasional latina guilty of racially profiling this asian born & raised in ohio! my take is that they're far more likely to be interested in other guys - maybe not the ones in ballroom, though. your loss - 27 girls, 3 guys in my class & lots of dates with slim, limber women... me too you do vintage too, though, right? try a waltz followed by a schottische to "lucy in the sky with diamonds" by the beatles i dunno, it's a pretty steep learning curve for a guy IMO. maybe it's more a case of the advanced male dancers "sharking" in beginning & intermediate classes for the hotties and removing themselves from circulation socially? plus those women who elect not to pursue dance aren't here to respond. i had a co-worker who actually told his girlfriend that he danced with her the first time they met just so he could get into her pants the next time they went dancing after they, uh, you know - and he refused to dance! they actually got married, too. i can usually identify the ballroom dancers with ballet training because they don't unlearn the toe point.