Ah, but you see, it's the man's perception not the woman's that matters. It takes a lot to overcome the locker room mentality where when men think of hip action, it's attached to a female's backside. A lot of what's considered manly to men is characters like John Wayne and Clint Eastwood. I know a lot of ladies like Max on DWTS; but while men may think he's attractive enough, it's not who they want to emulate. I can't even begin to explain how "pretty boys" like Derek are not the manly archtype to men.