America's Ballroom Challenge - Coming to TV

My main problem with the commentary is that absolutely everything is "amaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaazing," even when some of the showdances are way better than others technically and as routines. It definitely wouldn't hurt (in fact, it'd help) to point out what makes one better than another instead of just saying "omg I have no idea how the judges are going to pick the winners." For me Jonathan and Katusha were the clear winners, and their showdances tonight grabbed me much more than theirs two weeks ago.

It was also confusing that Marilu introduced the exhibitions as cabaret, even when one was cabaret, one was theater arts, and one was exhibition (and John DePalma introduced them as that).

I didn't like the ribbon exhibition dance, and I found Andrei and Elena's costuming distracting. I really enjoyed Anton and Karolina's exhibition, and Gary and Rita's show was great! I hadn't seen it before, so now I can see why people were a bit shocked when they didn't place better in the world showdance championships.
I agree with the ribbon routine. My sister did a group dance to a ribbon routine when she was like 10 years old. I kept thinking why are adults using ribbons in their routine? And their outfits were definitely well... different. Maybe that's just me though.

I didn't really have a favorite though. Tony impressed me with how he dances. Ben and Shalene impressed me by getting into outfits that you don't usually see them in. The others were so so with me tonight.

Oh but I did love a couple of the Cabaret dances though! Wow!!!!
 

Merrylegs

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Rhythm gymnastics is incredibly difficult. (aka, the ribbon dance--and then some!) It's also an olympic sport. Not performed by children.

Go online and google for the sport, watch a couple of videos and then see if you still have the same opinion. The precision, speed and agility will leave you awestruck.

I thought it was beautiful and I have always loved that Stevie Wonder song.
 
Oh, I agree the girl was great, extremely strong, flexible, precise, etc. But for me the guy didn't really add anything to the girl, and I think I would rather have just seen the girl performing a rhythmic gymnastics routine.
 

GJB

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OK, what was with the opening of Felipe's and Carolina's routine? He get's shot and comes back to life. I liked the routine but I don't get it.
 
Rhythm gymnastics is incredibly difficult. (aka, the ribbon dance--and then some!) It's also an olympic sport. Not performed by children.

Go online and google for the sport, watch a couple of videos and then see if you still have the same opinion. The precision, speed and agility will leave you awestruck.

I thought it was beautiful and I have always loved that Stevie Wonder song.
Well, my sister did do a group dance to a ribbon routine, and I do have that on video. It was very well done. And I know it takes strength, but I was not impressed. To me the girl was better than the guy, because the guy stood there a lot. But that's what impresses me the most about Tony. Tony moves his body instead of standing there. Again, it was just not my cup of tea. Sorry. ;)
 
Rhythm gymnastics is incredibly difficult. (aka, the ribbon dance--and then some!) It's also an olympic sport. Not performed by children.

Go online and google for the sport, watch a couple of videos and then see if you still have the same opinion. The precision, speed and agility will leave you awestruck.

I thought it was beautiful and I have always loved that Stevie Wonder song.
Oh and if you meant that is not for children meaning showcase or whatever... maybe not. I might have got confused on your meaning. But it still wasn't my thing. ;)
 

GJB

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Well, my sister did do a group dance to a ribbon routine, and I do have that on video. It was very well done. And I know it takes strength, but I was not impressed. To me the girl was better than the guy, because the guy stood there a lot. But that's what impresses me the most about Tony. Tony moves his body instead of standing there. Again, it was just not my cup of tea. Sorry. ;)
Some/most of the theatre arts guys seem more like weight lifters than dancers. I thought they seemed unevenly matched too.
 
I had a little chuckle when Tony said "this is my favorite song" when Popcorn came on. I don't know if I'd admit that being my favorite song ;)
Ha! That cracked me up, too -- almost as much as how amazed and impressed he was when the first couple did The Robot.

I am so hoping that Elena Grinenko lasts longer on DwtS this season than she did last season. She looked great on ABC tonight, and I'd love to see her reach a wider audience. And normally I'm not a big Tony Dovolani gal, but in his tux during their first routine...yowzah.
 

reb

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Ultra confusing and from out of nowhere comments about short and long programs. I haven't missed any of the shows and haven't heard any mention of this until tonight.
Otherwise a good program, then they do things like this - keep it real, don't make up things, and treat the audience with respect.

And, how is an Argentine Tango permissable in the genre category but a cha cha/hip hop number considered outside the box? Both were really cool to watch but I must be missing something about American Rhythm dance classifications. I guess...
All I could think was that this was more manufactured storytelling - and why? I hope next year the rules, entries, program, format - and "reporting" are consistent. There is a whole year to do it right - and that can require the least effort.

Get rid of all the adjectives and quit with the phony numbers such as "thousands" (last week) and "hundreds" (this week) - we know how many competitors in each field there really were.
 

wooh

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I also wonder if they should rotate the hosts for the different styles: get a Smooth pro for Smooth, Latin wiz for Latin and so on. If you don't walk the walk you can't talk the talk. Right?
Just a couple people that can come up with more to say than "She's puuuure class!" or "She's definitely had ballet!" would suffice for me.
 

reb

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Just a couple people that can come up with more to say than "She's puuuure class!" or "She's definitely had ballet!" would suffice for me.
. . . and I was near 2 quality play-by-play announcers at the Cal Open (Laura, are you reading this!?!?!) - no kidding! They both knew what they were talking about, communicated well to 1st-timers, and made it enjoyable!
 
Regarding the comments the hosts make, even back in the prior incarnation, the hosts drooled over the ballet training of the dancers. Juliet Prowse used to point it out all the time and every guest host since then has copied her.

If you were to watch several of the old Championship Ballroom Dance shows back to back you would see that the comments were almost verbatim from year to year. It's like they just recycled the same script from the prior year with the addition of new names.
 

Merrylegs

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Some/most of the theatre arts guys seem more like weight lifters than dancers. I thought they seemed unevenly matched too.
GJB, I call them fork lifts! Not that the women are heavy (not at all!) but they realy do pick up the woman, spin her around and then put her back down again.

I'm sorry to say that I right now I cannot recall the gentleman's name in this partnership but last night I remember thinking, Oh yeah, I remember him. He's good.

I think there is a significant age gap which might contribute to the feeling that they're mismatched. I think it was his baggy pants. I'm serious! They made him look slow.
 
OK, what was with the opening of Felipe's and Carolina's routine? He get's shot and comes back to life. I liked the routine but I don't get it.
If you listen to the lyrics of "Goodbye My Lover" it makes perfect sense- they were telling the story how he died dying and through the dance how she had loved him, would miss him, and was saying goodbye. Really beautiful.
 

mamboqueen

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Maybe someone can r*e*f*r*e*s*h my memory on how the "final" worked last year. I am quite certain the couples didn't do a long and short program. I do recall that Elena & Andre, Liane and Erminio, Elena and Tony and Ben and Shaleen were the final four and I think it was Elena and Andre that won (?). What's the purpose of having them do three "extra" dances (one to qualify and then a long and short)? Better TV? It seems like an awful lot for them to have to work on. And then there are those couples that *may* make the final and must have to have extra routines prepared, too. It seems like it can take away from the regular championship they're trying to win by going to the comp in the first place.

Thoughts?
 

GJB

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Maybe someone can r*e*f*r*e*s*h my memory on how the "final" worked last year. I am quite certain the couples didn't do a long and short program. I do recall that Elena & Andre, Liane and Erminio, Elena and Tony and Ben and Shaleen were the final four and I think it was Elena and Andre that won (?). What's the purpose of having them do three "extra" dances (one to qualify and then a long and short)? Better TV? It seems like an awful lot for them to have to work on. And then there are those couples that *may* make the final and must have to have extra routines prepared, too. It seems like it can take away from the regular championship they're trying to win by going to the comp in the first place.

Thoughts?
I think for better TV. And, re: the extra work, 1) I think there was pretty good prize money for the overall winner - I heard something like $10,000 but not sure about that and 2) The exposure is good for business.
 

GJB

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If you listen to the lyrics of "Goodbye My Lover" it makes perfect sense- they were telling the story how he died dying and through the dance how she had loved him, would miss him, and was saying goodbye. Really beautiful.
Yes, but the lyrics sound more like a breakup than a death.
 

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