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bordertangoman

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#41
many years back I took these precepts- spontaneeously against my anarchic instincts

http://www.plumvillage.org/HTML/practice/html/5_mindfulness_trainings.htm

they're a good way to to live and are different to vows as they are aspirations rather than rules. Then i realised I was too worrying about them so i let go of them becuase thats' how I live anyway.

But this is Buddhist thinking about the dangers of dogma:

"1. Openness

Aware of the suffering created by fanaticism and intolerance, I am determined not to be idolatrous about or bound to any doctrine, theory or ideology, even Buddhist ones. Buddhist teachings are guiding means to help me learn to look deeply and to develop my understanding and compassion. They are not doctrines to fight, kill or die for."

2. Non-attachment to Views

Aware of suffering created by attachment to views and wrong perceptions, I am determined to avoid being narrow-minded and bound to present views. I will learn and practise non-attachment from views in order to be open to others’ insights and experiences. I am aware that the knowledge I presently possess is not changeless, absolute truth. Truth is found in life and I will observe life within and around me in every moment, ready to learn throughout my life.

3. Freedom of Thought

Aware of the suffering brought about when I impose my views on others, I am committed not to force others, even my children, by any means whatsoever – such as authority, threat, money, propaganda or indoctrination – to adopt my views. I will respect the right of others to be different and to choose what to believe and how to decide. I will, however, help others renounce fanaticism and narrowness through compassionate dialogue. "
 

mamboqueen

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#42
Another great read, but one must seriously be on a path to understand much of it, is "A Course in Miracles". Marianne Williamson, its most well known proponent but not author or original member, is simply fabulous. With 'Course", she is another read that is at the bedside, always.
Your book recommendations just enlightened me out of around $50! But I'm sure I'll be thanking you in a month or two :)
 

fascination

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Staff member
#43
many years back I took these precepts- spontaneeously against my anarchic instincts

http://www.plumvillage.org/HTML/practice/html/5_mindfulness_trainings.htm

they're a good way to to live and are different to vows as they are aspirations rather than rules. Then i realised I was too worrying about them so i let go of them becuase thats' how I live anyway.

But this is Buddhist thinking about the dangers of dogma:

"1. Openness

Aware of the suffering created by fanaticism and intolerance, I am determined not to be idolatrous about or bound to any doctrine, theory or ideology, even Buddhist ones. Buddhist teachings are guiding means to help me learn to look deeply and to develop my understanding and compassion. They are not doctrines to fight, kill or die for."

2. Non-attachment to Views

Aware of suffering created by attachment to views and wrong perceptions, I am determined to avoid being narrow-minded and bound to present views. I will learn and practise non-attachment from views in order to be open to others’ insights and experiences. I am aware that the knowledge I presently possess is not changeless, absolute truth. Truth is found in life and I will observe life within and around me in every moment, ready to learn throughout my life.

3. Freedom of Thought

Aware of the suffering brought about when I impose my views on others, I am committed not to force others, even my children, by any means whatsoever – such as authority, threat, money, propaganda or indoctrination – to adopt my views. I will respect the right of others to be different and to choose what to believe and how to decide. I will, however, help others renounce fanaticism and narrowness through compassionate dialogue. "
thank you for sharing this BTM
 

DL

Well-Known Member
#44
Starting a war, I know, but...there is a profound difference between religion, spiritualism, and existentialism (the latter 2 more referenced in this thread). :car: I'm outta here...........................
Borders between theology, philosophy, and science are after all not actually all that firmly defined. Advancement of thought in one historically has often gone hand-in-hand with like progress in the others.

(As an aside, there's an offshoot of all three, "ethics," which I wish got more formal study, consideration, and attention in popular culture and education than it seems to get.)

"Spritualism," I'm not quite sure how to think about in this context.

At any rate, I was simply making the point that I don't think that contemplation of everyday moments -- and finding questions, answers, and learning thereby -- is something unique to Buddhism. There's a class of thought/belief systems that provide tools for this purpose; and there are also more trivial systems that rob such contemplation of its value.
 

bordertangoman

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#45
i Have a sneaking suspicion that god is teasing scientists. I mean at one time the smallest thing was an atom, now its string theory. Once scientists have "proved" string theory, god will just add another layer.
 

Larinda McRaven

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Staff member
#46
Properly viewed, religion never, "has all the answers" (and indeed a claim to the contrary is often the hallmark of a cult). Rather, it provides a set of tools for examining the questions.
I did not say (nor do buddhists) the Buddhism has all the answers. Daily life and interaction has the questions and the answers. Buddhisms is actually very much not about clinging or grasping to any one thing to solve your problems.
 

fascination

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Staff member
#48
Borders between theology, philosophy, and science are after all not actually all that firmly defined. Advancement of thought in one historically has often gone hand-in-hand with like progress in the others.

(As an aside, there's an offshoot of all three, "ethics," which I wish got more formal study, consideration, and attention in popular culture and education than it seems to get.)

"Spritualism," I'm not quite sure how to think about in this context.

At any rate, I was simply making the point that I don't think that contemplation of everyday moments -- and finding questions, answers, and learning thereby -- is something unique to Buddhism. There's a class of thought/belief systems that provide tools for this purpose; and there are also more trivial systems that rob such contemplation of its value.
and there is a rich history of contemplatives of all sorts of reilgious flavor if you will...old and new
 
#51
i Have a sneaking suspicion that god is teasing scientists. I mean at one time the smallest thing was an atom, now its string theory. Once scientists have "proved" string theory, god will just add another layer.
Or, all the layers are already there waiting to be discovered.

That's one of the most profound questions in physics. Is there an ultimate smallest indivisible layer of "reality" (matter, space, and time), or is it an infinite regress? Current theory and research indicates that stuff on the scale of the Plank constant (~6.6 x 10^-34) is the final frontier. But it is always conceivable that it may be superceded by something else the way Einstein's relativy superceded Newton's mechanics.

So my point is, ..., I don't know. It's been a long week.
 

Angel HI

Well-Known Member
#52
Your book recommendations just enlightened me out of around $50! But I'm sure I'll be thanking you in a month or two
I am certain of it. The Shinn, Walsh, and Williamson writings have made such huge impacts in my life, and in the lives of those whom I have counseled. Happy to objectively/unbiased discuss either of them along your journey...PM, e-, or call anytime. :)

(As an aside, there's an offshoot of all three, "ethics," which I wish got more formal study, consideration, and attention in popular culture and education than it seems to get.)

"Spritualism," I'm not quite sure how to think about in this context.
I am agreeing w/ you all the way. Wasn't making a contention...more an inclusion. Ethics, I believe, is not more formally studied b/c it is popular culture and education based. Spiritualism, esp. in this context, is very relevant...it is the core of what defines us individually. Our belief/s in something/or not higher than ourselves is crux to all of our peripheral; developments...the books that we read, beliefs that we live by/share/teach, etc.
 

Angel HI

Well-Known Member
#53
many years back I took these precepts- spontaneeously against my anarchic instincts http://www.plumvillage.org/HTML/practice/html/5_mindfulness_trainings.htm

2. Non-attachment to Views

Aware of suffering created by attachment to views and wrong perceptions, I am determined to avoid being narrow-minded and bound to present views. I will learn and practise non-attachment from views in order to be open to others’ insights and experiences. I am aware that the knowledge I presently possess is not changeless, absolute truth. Truth is found in life and I will observe life within and around me in every moment, ready to learn throughout my life.
Enjoyed the link, and the above point, in particular of the 3.
 

DL

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#56
I did not say (nor do buddhists) the Buddhism has all the answers. Daily life and interaction has the questions and the answers. Buddhisms is actually very much not about clinging or grasping to any one thing to solve your problems.
Argh. I was trying to agree with your original statement in a more general way. I guess I typed sideways to the point I was trying to make.
 
#57
tempted To Say Something Fairly Unenlightened About The Merits Of Vibrating...but...lol...i Will Instead Share This Passage That I Like ...this Is Actually M Scott Peck In people Of The Lie, Quoting Cs Lewis From the Lion, The Witch, And The wardrobe..."when A Willing Victim Who Had Committed No Treachery Was Killed In A Traitor's Stead, The Table Would Crack And Death Itself Would Start Working Backwards"...that Is, To Say; "good People Can Deliberately Allow Themselves To Be Pierced By The Evil Of Others...to Be Broken And Yet Somehow Not Broken" ... And "whenever This Happens There Is A Slight Shift Of Power In The World"....a Shift For Good

Brokenness And Wounds Serve A Purpose Even Though I Would Never Be One To Blame A Deity For Causing It...imv, When Someone Learns To Walk With Grace And Transcendence In Spite Of Wounds, They Strengthen And Inspire Those Around Them...they Elevate The Circles Closest To Them... And Who Knows The Ripple From There...those Of Us Who Have Benefitted From The Ripples Certainly Do...

Chesterton Said; blessed Are The Broken, For They Let In The Light

Amen!
 

samina

Well-Known Member
#58
Came up with a definition today for my son, who's currently exploring some of my reading material. My intention was to make the deified language he may come across more accessible to him, as we live in a non-religious (although very spiritual) home. I like what came to mind.

“God” is the Substance of the universe, and the Principles by which it lives and creates.


 

DL

Well-Known Member
#60
Came up with a definition today for my son, who's currently exploring some of my reading material. My intention was to make the deified language he may come across more accessible to him, as we live in a non-religious (although very spiritual) home. I like what came to mind.

“God” is the Substance of the universe, and the Principles by which it lives and creates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism
 

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