Frame? left hand "pain"..

#81
Kat - how's the icing thing going?? hope you're back to your normal self??

egoist - unfortunately, ppl are prone to gossip!! btw, a family friend told us that ever since she switched to brown rice - her back pain never come back so i wonder about the olive oil story....
 

Katarzyna

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#82
I haven't been home early enough to ice it.. It still feels funny. I am trying to forget about it till after Atlanta. Then I will decide to worry about it or not if the feeling doesn't go away...
 

Dancebug

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#83
Katarzyna said:
[Not sure, I used to always hold with middle finger till it was changed couple months ago by my coach... So I guess different people have different preferences..
Why did your coach tell you to switch your fingers?
 

Katarzyna

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#84
Dancebug said:
Katarzyna said:
[Not sure, I used to always hold with middle finger till it was changed couple months ago by my coach... So I guess different people have different preferences..
Why did your coach tell you to switch your fingers?
He said something along the lines of the index finger isn't very pretty, the middle finger is a lot better looking.. etc :)
 

Ithink

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#85
Katarzyna said:
Dancebug said:
Katarzyna said:
[Not sure, I used to always hold with middle finger till it was changed couple months ago by my coach... So I guess different people have different preferences..
Why did your coach tell you to switch your fingers?
He said something along the lines of the index finger isn't very pretty, the middle finger is a lot better looking.. etc :)
I thought you said you used to do middle finger and now you do index because you were told to change. At least that's what your post on p.2 seems to be saying...

Anyways, do you have a female coach? Why not ask her - she'd know much better what is more comfortable instead of the male perspective of what is "pretty". IMO, that's a pretty silly reason to change something that seems to be working and not hurting to something that potentially injured you. If he had another reason for you to change it, then OK but changing it because it "isn't very pretty" seems kinda... well, silly. Kinda reminds me of men who want their wives or girlfriends to get plastic surgery because it would look better...
 

Katarzyna

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#86
Ithink said:
Katarzyna said:
Dancebug said:
Katarzyna said:
[Not sure, I used to always hold with middle finger till it was changed couple months ago by my coach... So I guess different people have different preferences..
Why did your coach tell you to switch your fingers?
He said something along the lines of the index finger isn't very pretty, the middle finger is a lot better looking.. etc :)
I thought you said you used to do middle finger and now you do index because you were told to change. At least that's what your post on p.2 seems to be saying...

Anyways, do you have a female coach? Why not ask her - she'd know much better what is more comfortable instead of the male perspective of what is "pretty". IMO, that's a pretty silly reason to change something that seems to be working and not hurting to something that potentially injured you. If he had another reason for you to change it, then OK but changing it because it "isn't very pretty" seems kinda... well, silly. Kinda reminds me of men who want their wives or girlfriends to get plastic surgery because it would look better...
Hold with index finger so it' snot visible.. that's what I was trying to say... I changed it quite a few months ago so I don't think it could potentially cause injury. My coaches are a dancing couple and both seem to be on the same page...
 
#87
Generally anyone that had any lessons in Ballet would undersatnd the reason for the middle finger and thumb hold.. When you take lessons on how to hold the hands and fingers they always teach the idea of "holding and egg" between the middle finger and the thumb, this allows for a nice line and look for the hand and fingers..

Also in studies in martial arts..they always teach you when grabbing hold that the last three fingers are the strongest for holding for an extended time ( middle ring and pinky fingers) by design the pointing finger is the most flexible, but weakest..

Alst but not least, of all the possible fingers to have outstreaced.. the worst on a dance floor would be the middle finger..
Just suppose you have a picture where your middle finger by contrast just seemes to somehow be the ONLY ONE extended in comparison the all of the others... You wouldn't want a judge to get the wrong idea would you??

Just reminds me, .. ever see someone pick their nose with their middle finger on the subway lol!!
 

Katarzyna

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#88
flexi said:
Generally anyone that had any lessons in Ballet would undersatnd the reason for the middle finger and thumb hold.. When you take lessons on how to hold the hands and fingers they always teach the idea of "holding and egg" between the middle finger and the thumb, this allows for a nice line and look for the hand and fingers..
So you disagree with the middle finger and index finger hold... oh well. I just do what my coaches tell me... The ones I trust most ...
 
#89
Anyway O doubt that a change of fingers has anything to do with a arm hurting...
I would think changing how you dance, your head relatively to your body and moving direction etc would have a lot more to do with it..

When somethig is new, people tend to manufacture things for a while, using all sorts of unnessisay muscles etc to make a change, after awhile you find simplerways to achive the same results....
 
#91
I think that a positive "push" connection is what's needed opposed to a pull connection..

Pull connection tends to make things slow, heavy, tense etc..
whereas, a push connection makes things lighter, quicker, more responsive, relaxed...

I know when guys tense up in tango, and start pulling , the first thing you see is the man's right sholder popping up as he pulls....

If you see your oun sholder popping up, check and see if your pulling with your arms and back..
 

Katarzyna

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#92
flexi said:
I think that a positive "push" connection is what's needed opposed to a pull connection..

Pull connection tends to make things slow, heavy, tense etc..
whereas, a push connection makes things lighter, quicker, more responsive, relaxed...

I know when guys tense up in tango, and start pulling , the first thing you see is the man's right sholder popping up as he pulls....

If you see your oun sholder popping up, check and see if your pulling with your arms and back..
Actually, what you are mentioning is exactly what caused the pain. By creating push connection, my arm has a lot more tension than by pull connection (or lack of connection)....
 
#95
push connection I'm talking about is keeping the circle foward..
sholders, arms hands ... everything,,...

Or simply put.. keeping the circle in front of the spine.
Whenver the circle goes behing the spine, you get breaks in sholder/back/arm lines.

Even in a situation where there is a pulling energy... you still have to maintain a "positive circle in front of spine" (push connection)

the same is true in latin dances.. and gerenally easier to visually see..
 

Katarzyna

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#96
Thank you for clarifying. I know what you had in mind. I have a feeling I've been doing too much of the push connection, and thus creating tension... but I did that to protect from my partner trying to twist me inside the frame. We've been dancing with A LOT more tension but also energy lately...
 
#97
flexi said:
Even in a situation where there is a pulling energy... you still have to maintain a "positive circle in front of spine" (push connection)

the same is true in latin dances.. and gerenally easier to visually see..
I'd agree with you for basics... but it would appear than an elbow behind your back is not considered a sin in contemporary latin styling
 
#98
positive weight foward, circle in front of spine (offset), push, dynamic tention connection..

think cha-cha swivels... connection..
 

Katarzyna

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#99
flexi said:
positive weight foward, circle in front of spine (offset), push, dynamic tention connection..

think cha-cha swivels... connection..
tough when you think of fram as pretection rather than connection.. at least in tango.
 
flexi said:
push connection I'm talking about is keeping the circle foward..
sholders, arms hands ... everything,,...

Or simply put.. keeping the circle in front of the spine.
Whenver the circle goes behing the spine, you get breaks in sholder/back/arm lines.

Even in a situation where there is a pulling energy... you still have to maintain a "positive circle in front of spine" (push connection)

the same is true in latin dances.. and gerenally easier to visually see..

arms in front and circle thing means push connection? so the pull connection is defined as having elbows behind back?
 

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