Manhattan Dancesport Championships - 2008

Laura

New Member
Yeah, I care more about the dancing. Couldn't care less about the costuming, grooming, etc. and don't think it should be factored in to the judging. I dont like the "whole package" thing. I think it should about the dancing and only the dancing. However, I have to give in and say it is nice to look at you ladies all glammed up in your dresses : )
I tend to agree but I will also say "thank you." :)
 

Larinda McRaven

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See, now we have several posts of people of people wondering why Fads judges scores were totally out of whack... which is simply not true. There was only one FADS judge on that panel, and not even one that had a finger pointed at.

Discussions about judges are not bad on this forum. Unsubstantiated Accusations and Untrue Assumptions are BAD.

There is NO conspiracy of FADS judges against Barbara or Ilya.


And no, Dustin left the FADS chain probably 15 years ago. Lets stop making really bad assumptions and get the facts straight.
 

SDsalsaguy

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It's postulating things without knowing or checking on the underlying facts that is bad form, such as the thing about Ken Sloan being from FADS and therefore marking a certain way, when fact-checking reveals that Sloan isn't from FADS at all.
Exactly. It is perpetuating the appearance of impropriety in the absence of factual information is unacceptable here at DF; not commenting on judging in general.

Discussions about judges are not bad on this forum. Unsubstantiated Accusations and Untrue Assumptions are BAD.

There is NO conspiracy of FADS judges against Barbara or Ilya.

And no, Dustin left the FADS chain probably 15 years ago. Lets stop making really bad assumptions and get the facts straight.
Yup, making such claims costs you credibility to begin with (which is your issue), but also has the potential for costing DF credibility -- which is why we do not approve of unsubstantiated speculations.

Hope that clarifies and explains.
 

Standarddancer

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by GJB

Yeah, I care more about the dancing. Couldn't care less about the costuming, grooming, etc. and don't think it should be factored in to the judging. I dont like the "whole package" thing. I think it should about the dancing and only the dancing. However, I have to give in and say it is nice to look at you ladies all glammed up in your dresses : )
I wish I don't need to worry about costuming, makeup, hair updo (major hassle), tanning (hate this part most) etc and could focus only on dancing, unfortunately, images are important aspect of dancesport, that's why most ladies wear beautiful dresses and both men/lady well-groomed. Neat appearance gives good impression, although I see your point not to go crazy about image focusing on only dancing, also I have to say "thank you":)
 

samina

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I tend to agree but I will also say "thank you." :)
see, i respect he grooming/dresses aspect of ballroom...in the sense that it reflects the evolving professionalism, sleekness, smoothness, and attention to detail that emerges for an accomplished dancer over time in her body mechanics and artistry...

for those that expect to win without paying attention to the grooming and dresses...well, it's all part of the package.
 
See, now we have several posts of people of people wondering why Fads judges scores were totally out of whack... which is simply not true. There was only one FADS judge on that panel, and not even one that had a finger pointed at.

Discussions about judges are not bad on this forum. Unsubstantiated Accusations and Untrue Assumptions are BAD.

There is NO conspiracy of FADS judges against Barbara or Ilya.


And no, Dustin left the FADS chain probably 15 years ago. Lets stop making really bad assumptions and get the facts straight.

And this is exactly why i wanted to drop it in the first place.
 
I tend to agree but I will also say "thank you." :)
I don't know how much dressing should count. I believe it should count for something. Especially "grooming". Personally, i wouldn't want to dance with someone who hadn't taken a shower in a week. On the other hand, just because one dress costs $4000.00, and another costs $3500.00, it should have no bearing on who would get a higher placement.
 

ChaChaMama

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I wish I don't need to worry about costuming, makeup, hair updo (major hassle), tanning (hate this part most) etc and could focus only on dancing, unfortunately, images are important aspect of dancesport, that's why most ladies wear beautiful dresses and both men/lady well-groomed. Neat appearance gives good impression, although I see your point not to go crazy about image focusing on only dancing, also I have to say "thank you":)
I actually think it would be really fun to have a comp where everyone just wore jeans and t-shirts (or at least more casual clothing) for a change, more natural looking hairstyles, and the skin colors that they were born with. Just me, probably.

There's nothing "authentically" Latin American about the comp look. In fact, I think my natural hair style is probably more reflective of a typical Chicana!

I agree with Standarddancer, though. Realistic point of view. I just think people could be neat without being so...well, comp-ed out!
 
What did people think of the vendors? I tried on some dresses, but was in sticker shock for the most part. I did see a dress from one vendor that I saw at this comp a year ago. How long do they hold on to these dresses before they drop the price to unload it?
I spent several hrs in the vendor area on Sunday. I saw only a few people in this period. I believe that I was the only one who opened the wallet. The scene was actually pathetic. Several vendors which were supposed to be there, such as Taka and Design to Shine, were not present. IMHO, the number of spectators during Open Standard Final was far fewer than previous yrs. Even though the room was quite packed in Saturday evening, many seats were unoccupied in Sunday evening. I do not know if this phenomenon is caused by the unfavorable economic condition, which may affect future competitions.
 
I actually think it would be really fun to have a comp where everyone just wore jeans and t-shirts (or at least more casual clothing) for a change, more natural looking hairstyles, and the skin colors that they were born with. Just me, probably.
No, it's not just you. I know if comps were more casual, I'd probably compete more.
 
I spent several hrs in the vendor area on Sunday. I saw only a few people in this period. I believe that I was the only one who opened the wallet. The scene was actually pathetic. Several vendors which were supposed to be there, such as Taka and Design to Shine, were not present. IMHO, the number of spectators during Open Standard Final was far fewer than previous yrs. Even though the room was quite packed in Saturday evening, many seats were unoccupied in Sunday evening. I do not know if this phenomenon is caused by the unfavorable economic condition, which may affect future competitions.
CC - Designs to Shine was there on Thursday and Friday, but never saw Taka...suppose Wednesday to Sunday is a long time to sit at a booth, particularly if people aren't shopping.

Vendor area was quiet on Thursday for the most part. My friend and I went over mid-afternoon after morning dancing and tried on some dresses. She bought some fun fringed pants and a top and I bought a new Latin dress...and yes, there was lots of sticker shock. My mom came to watch me dance and was there when I bought the dress - her face looked a bit surprised to say the least, but she encouraged me to go ahead and get it...of course she wasn't paying ;)!
 
CC - Designs to Shine was there on Thursday and Friday, but never saw Taka...suppose Wednesday to Sunday is a long time to sit at a booth, particularly if people aren't shopping.

Vendor area was quiet on Thursday for the most part. My friend and I went over mid-afternoon after morning dancing and tried on some dresses. She bought some fun fringed pants and a top and I bought a new Latin dress...and yes, there was lots of sticker shock. My mom came to watch me dance and was there when I bought the dress - her face looked a bit surprised to say the least, but she encouraged me to go ahead and get it...of course she wasn't paying ;)!
I know Taka was not there because I asked Bobby (Danz2000) about it. He said that it did not come. My friend was quite surprised at the dress prices, too. This is understandable considering the stone price. Dancing is getting expensive now.
 

ChaChaMama

Well-Known Member
I bought a pair of $189 shoes, so I'd like to think I did my part. :)
(I was WAYYYYY overdue for a replacement, but I really NEED to try them on in person because I have annoyingly wide feet, and I didn't see a vendor at Yankee carrying Supadance...though I could be mistaken.)

That reminds me of something I really appreciated at Manhattan! I did not get to the comp as early as I had hoped on Saturday, despite leaving Maryland prior to 9 AM. (There was traffic, AND I needed to drop off child, AND then when I finally got there my room wasn't ready.) The upshot of this is that I only got to go to the Saturday night session, and I was having too much fun watching and chatting to even think about shopping then.

On Sunday, I thought I was going to have to buy a ticket into the ballroom if I wanted to look at shoes, since the vendors were in there instead of outside, but the very nice ticket people said they could hold my driver's license while I shopped instead. It only took my about 30 mins. to find what I needed.

P.S. Though I didn't buy shoes at Yankee, we did buy DH a new dance shirt and new dance pants (thanks dressgirl!) Am I profligate of late or what? Must be my midlife crisis kicking in.
 

Standarddancer

Well-Known Member
I spent several hrs in the vendor area on Sunday. I saw only a few people in this period. I believe that I was the only one who opened the wallet. The scene was actually pathetic. Several vendors which were supposed to be there, such as Taka and Design to Shine, were not present. IMHO, the number of spectators during Open Standard Final was far fewer than previous yrs. Even though the room was quite packed in Saturday evening, many seats were unoccupied in Sunday evening. I do not know if this phenomenon is caused by the unfavorable economic condition, which may affect future competitions.
I've noticed this too, not sure if related to unfavorable economic condition, it used to be so packed in previous years. I was there hanging around Sunday night looking for familiar faces / DFers but didn't meet so many people. well, guess I missed you:( next time...:)
 

Larinda McRaven

Site Moderator
Staff member
I actually think it would be really fun to have a comp where everyone just wore jeans and t-shirts (or at least more casual clothing) for a change, more natural looking hairstyles, and the skin colors that they were born with. Just me, probably.

There's nothing "authentically" Latin American about the comp look. In fact, I think my natural hair style is probably more reflective of a typical Chicana!

I agree with Standarddancer, though. Realistic point of view. I just think people could be neat without being so...well, comp-ed out!
It is called YCN. :D
 

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