Men dancing with men

suburbaknght

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#21
I'm of the firm belief that all men should practice following and all women should practice leading. Nothing makes you more aware of your partner than stepping into his or her role.

That said, I do enjoy following on occasion - usually smooth more than rhythm - and I may be doing same sex competition before regular competition due to delay in reinstating my amateur status (same sex comps don't always draw a distinction).
 

Gorme

Active Member
#22
So what's the best way to overcome this problem and still be a male follower?

Get the lady to lead, and the man to follow. I have done this before at a social. I have never danced man-man at a social.
Around here, the only dance a man-man situation would work on without incurring female wrath is V.Waltz. There's an shortage of women who can do that dance. So the remaining guys either dance it alone or with each other.
 

Peaches

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#24
I've seen it a few times.

One teacher I know will often dance WCS as a follow, usually with a particular student (with whom he's good friends) who gets very embarrassed to be dancing with another guy. The teacher hams it up, and it's just hilarious to watch.

I've seen it a few times with AT. Open embrace. It started out as a joke--it was one guy's birthday dance, and another male teacher joined the rotation...and kept it. It was fascinating to watch, because it completely changed the look of the dance. I wish I'd gotten it on video, because it was beautiful. I found the same thing other times, as well--the character of the dance just becomes very different, very powerful somehow.

As for girls & girls--I've danced close embrace AT with a woman before. Several times throughout the particular evening, since there was a shortage of leaders, and she was good. Aside from the technical difficulties of boobs being in the way (she was rather well-endowed) which dampens the feel of the lead, it was great. I found her to be an inordinately considerate leader. I could feel her understanding of what I needed as a follower, and it was awesome. I'd jump at the chance to follow a woman again.
 
#25
There seems to be a bit of conversation about this in another thread so I thought I would break it off into a new thread.

How many of the guys here have danced with other guys?
For the women... what do think when you see two guys dancing together?

As for me I'll admit I like a good lead now and then. I'll admit there is some machismo in showing I can follow ;). I've danced standard and latin with some of the male pros at the studio. When I've danced latin the charactistic of the dance changes some, flirting is gone and it is more competitive (sort of like when you are wrestling with your brother) and everything also becomes a lot harder and sharper.
I actually teach a couple (man/man). They each counldn't find a partner that was willing to practice as much and as hard as they wanted. They both looked for partners for a about six month and finally decided to dance together. They are going to some big competitions in Europe. One of the competitions was in Denmark and the other was in either Holland or Germany. I do think one of the competitions was the World Championship and the other was Guy Olympics.

How do I feel about teaching them? Not a problem. To me the important thing is, they want to dance and they are eager to learn, two of the most important things for dancers. I just had get used to use the terms initiator and responder again as I have not used those terms like that since moving to the US.

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dbk

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#26
I think it would be ABnormal at one of our social dances for guys not to dance together at least one or two times. I guess that's just how my team rolls... most of our guys are pretty darn secure. :)
 
#29
I actually teach a couple (man/man). They each counldn't find a partner that was willing to practice as much and as hard as they wanted. They both looked for partners for a about six month and finally decided to dance together. They are going to some big competitions in Europe. One of the competitions was in Denmark and the other was in either Holland or Germany. I do think one of the competitions was the World Championship and the other was Guy Olympics.

How do I feel about teaching them? Not a problem. To me the important thing is, they want to dance and they are eager to learn, two of the most important things for dancers. I just had get used to use the terms initiator and responder again as I have not used those terms like that since moving to the US.

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Do they alternate lead/follow or has one switched?
 

nucat78

Active Member
#30
I have danced a few steps with my studio owner in classes. He wanted the guys to see what a particular lead should feel like. Didn't bother me and I really was curious to see what kind of lead he is, but I doubt I'd dance at a social with another guy.

I'm told, and I have no idea if this is accurate, that Argentine tango was originally danced by men together and it was a macho thing sort of like an upright wrestling match and to see who had the best moves.
 
#31
The version I heard was that they learned it with each other in order to dance with the brothel women - women being rather scarce at that time. I tried to check this out but I don't think anyone really knows....
 
#32
I think it would be ABnormal at one of our social dances for guys not to dance together at least one or two times. I guess that's just how my team rolls... most of our guys are pretty darn secure. :)
Dancing guys are in such short supply here that it would look strange (like why are they doing it when there are so many available girls). This year the university team even had girl-girl showcase, and there is apparent shortage of new guys (there's a bunch of guys who were part of the ballroom club for at least a year or more, and there is a bunch of new girls, but no new guys from the looks of it).
 

Peaches

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#33
The version I heard was that they learned it with each other in order to dance with the brothel women - women being rather scarce at that time. I tried to check this out but I don't think anyone really knows....
nucat said:
I'm told, and I have no idea if this is accurate, that Argentine tango was originally danced by men together and it was a macho thing sort of like an upright wrestling match and to see who had the best moves.
I've heard varying stories about the origins. The story which seemed to have gotten the most credence, based on the reactions of the other Argentines in the room, does, indeed involve women in brothels and men dancing with men...but not in the either of these ways. It's an interesting story (and who knows if it's true), but it's completely OT. (And, since it's me, it would be long in the telling.)
 
#34
Do they alternate lead/follow or has one switched?
Part of the criteria (in the Worlds and the Olympics) is that they should shift between who is the initiator and who is the responder. So yes, they have to understand the difference between the yin energy and the yang energy. They tend to get very good at understanding the difference after a few lessons.

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kayak

Active Member
#37
So what's the best way to overcome this problem and still be a male follower?

Get the lady to lead, and the man to follow. I have done this before at a social. I have never danced man-man at a social.
I guess my answer would be why would you want to? Is the goal to be a better leader because you can follow kind of like dance practice or to really dance the ladies part?

As a guy, the challenge of dancing with a lady leader is mass. If we are thinking about leading with our centers, ladies naturally move out of the way to avoid getting run over. As a guy follower, I can just stand there and let her run into me. So it is truly by option that I move the way my roll as a follower says I should.
 

kayak

Active Member
#38
I think it would be ABnormal at one of our social dances for guys not to dance together at least one or two times. I guess that's just how my team rolls... most of our guys are pretty darn secure. :)
Even if you are secure from any homophobia, how does your group avoid the competitive nature of being guys? Most guys I know really want to be better than the other guy. They also want to be the team captain.

Wrestling is an example of guys being secure that being near another man will not suddenly make them gay. Still, there are very few guys who are happy getting pushed around and pinned.
 
#39
I really enjoy seeing two guys dancing... or two gals... well I enjoy anything that is considered out of the "norm"... I've always told my pro he makes a prettier follow than I do. :)

I'll have to see if I can find it... there is a you tube video I saw of a same-gender salsa competition... I think it was held in Las Vegas... but it was really cool! I happened across it by accident... must go look....
 

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