Snotty Subculture

Steve Pastor

Moderator
Staff member
#61
he also serves to let it be known how we're all doing it wrong
The true alpha male does not have to make any such display.
I'd call him a faux alpha male, if he's one at all.
Oh, maybe I'm confusing someone of character with alpha male?
 

sixela

Well-Known Member
#62
Your usage is consistent with the definition:

In hierarchal social animals, alphas usually gain preferential access to food and other desirable items or activities,
Someone saying that the alpha male isn't the one who gets the most dances (with the females for which the males compete) is using it ironically.
 

Gssh

Well-Known Member
#63
Someone saying that the alpha male isn't the one who gets the most dances (with the females for which the males compete) is using it ironically.
To go all pack-psychology: This is not an alpha male - this is one of the set of lower ranked males who is trying to better his position. In general the alpha male does not compete - he is undisputed, and any challenge to him is a _big_ deal, it doesn't happen casually or frequently. In tango terms the alpah male would not be the one who gets the "most" dances (this is competetive/status reinforcing behaiour), it would be somebody who gets the dances he wants, and just organically there is nobody is in his way.

Of course i am not sure if we want to analyze tango as a hierarchical system - especially not one where the measure of status is "dances" - there are too many different status constructs and status markers are at work at the same time, and from an anthropological perspective i would suggest that the dancing skill hierarchy might be one of the less important ones. Teaching, dj-ing,milonga hosting, BA travel, festival travel, and so on might be more relevant markers and status generating/reinforcing behaviors.

Gssh
 

opendoor

Well-Known Member
#65
..Someone saying that the alpha male isn't the one who gets the most dances (with the females for which the males compete) is using it ironically.
? me?
"Food and other desirable" can´t be identified with dancing. The gain is something different.
 

sixela

Well-Known Member
#66
In pack psychology, it's "resources" (and in this case, 'resources' are 'females' or in a less sexist way, dances to the orchestra of your choice with the partner of your choice).

[Gssh is right, though, the alpha males doesn't necessarily get the most dances, he gets all the dances he wants, and my post lacked clarity°. Although an alpha male who wants to dance a lot _will_ have a lot of dances, of course.]

I'm married to an experimental psychologist (and one who observed the tango scene for quite a while and couldn't be bothered to play the social games after some time), so you'll have a hard time convincing me to change my usage.

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°I'm getting my head served to me a lot lately when I write sloppy thing, which is good. Shame about the small time window that allows post editing...
 

bordertangoman

Well-Known Member
#67
°I'm getting my head served to me a lot lately when I write sloppy thing, which is good. Shame about the small time window that allows post editing...
That should be 'sloppily' or 'something sloppy' ;)

agreed about the very short time limit - which sometimes has gone by by the time it's posted due to the slow connection
 

pygmalion

Well-Known Member
#69
The posting limit makes it impossible for me to proofread and correct my posts completely/accurately, especially my longer posts. I've decided to do my best then not to worry about it. *shrug* I hope that y'all will give me the benefit of the doubt that I'm well-meaning, relatively well educated, and that I can spell and punctuate. My posts give no evidence of such. lol.
 

dchester

Moderator
Staff member
#71
He stands on top of the pecking order. The male pecking order is defined among men only (not by the popularity of certain dancers among women). The alpha male does not or rarely dances, while lower ranks have to show up on the dance floor regularly to assert their position. The alpha male does not live on tango, he taught classes for a short time, did dj-ing, and organized some encuentros or a festival just to demonstrate his abilty.
In our town, he also serves to let it be known how we're all doing it wrong. The level of disapproval in the room when he's at any tango function is palpable.
Either I'm oblivious to this, or it doesn't exist at the milongas I frequent.Now there clearly are some guys who women certainly prefer to dance with, but it doesn't sound like that's what you are talking about. Now there clearly are some guys who women certainly prefer to dance with, but it doesn't sound like that's what you are talking about.

I will add that if some peanut gallery proclaimed alpha decided to tell me what I'm doing wrong, he better do it very politely.
 

dchester

Moderator
Staff member
#72
RIGHT HERE; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learning_curve

a steep learning curve is one where you are learning a lot very fast..

I suspect the average tango learning curve is shallow but downward; they are learning that they know less than they thought they did when they came in the room, and it slopes down to a cliff which they fall off and they go and learn salsa or jive instead, or take up fly fishing.
Words and phrases often get new/additional meanings as language evolves, as this phrase did (probably 30 years ago). It is commonly used these days to indicate "there is a lot to learn".
 

jantango

Active Member
#73
hope so the nations economy depends on it!!!
Hardly. If Argentina's economy depended on tango to keep it afloat, the country would have sunk long ago. Tango is business in the capital federal, but nowhere else in the country. Tango tourists are a tiny percentage of the annual tourism to the country.
 

Mr 4 styles

Well-Known Member
#74
the country would have sunk long ago.
it has... were you there when the currrency was devalued about 75% overnite!!

peopel lost fortunes on paper

on the upside tourism got chhhheeeappppp

that sais i love the country and the people love spain too, brazil and portugal notsomuch
 

Gssh

Well-Known Member
#75
The posting limit makes it impossible for me to proofread and correct my posts completely/accurately, especially my longer posts. I've decided to do my best then not to worry about it. *shrug* I hope that y'all will give me the benefit of the doubt that I'm well-meaning, relatively well educated, and that I can spell and punctuate. My posts give no evidence of such. lol.
I give everybody the benefit of the doubt - i read/write to this board in breaks, and often when i re-read some of my posts a few hours later (after the editing time is over, of course) i just want to sink into the ground - atrocious spelling and grammar, whole words left out, and sentence fragments floating around unmoored by and semblance of meaning.

Glasshouse, stones, and all that :)

Gssh
 

twnkltoz

Well-Known Member
#77
My problem isn't the spelling and grammar, it's thinking everyone else knows what's in my head so I don't get my thoughts out clearly. You'd think as a writer I would be a better communicator.
 

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