Soaring gas prices

dnquark said:
Not that it would do too much good on the whole. American transportation is so car-centered it's sickening.
I didn't have a driver's license until I was over 30, or a car for several years after that, thus I'm very confident in saying that public transit is an extremely suboptimal alternative everywhere except dense urban cores, which represent a tiny fraction of the US by area and a significant minority by population. Cars are not "sickening", they're a rational, convenient, affordable, and time-saving way to get from point a to point b. I save hundreds of hours of time every year, have many more choices of where to live and far more freedom, and go dancing much more often and to a far larger variety of places than I could before having a car.

People who want to take away my travel options to feed their political biases, or install punitive taxes for the benefit of the urban minority, are not people I can respect.
 

pygmalion

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Wow. I don't think I want to touch the tax topic. No sir. Not me. 8)

I was thinking about this topic, as well, jon. The best conclusion I could come up with is that Americans' fates were sealed back in the fifties when Truman (I think :? ) opted to invest so much in the interstate highway system. The choice was made then, IMO. An investment was made in developing a transportation infrastructure. It just happened to be car-based and petroleum dependant. *shrug* Oh well. :?
 

Sagitta

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jon said:
dnquark said:
Not that it would do too much good on the whole. American transportation is so car-centered it's sickening.
I didn't have a driver's license until I was over 30, or a car for several years after that, thus I'm very confident in saying that public transit is an extremely suboptimal alternative everywhere except dense urban cores, which represent a tiny fraction of the US by area and a significant minority by population. Cars are not "sickening", they're a rational, convenient, affordable, and time-saving way to get from point a to point b. I save hundreds of hours of time every year, have many more choices of where to live and far more freedom, and go dancing much more often and to a far larger variety of places than I could before having a car.

People who want to take away my travel options to feed their political biases, or install punitive taxes for the benefit of the urban minority, are not people I can respect.
Amen. If I lived in a major metropolitan area I wouldn't have a car, but where I am it is a necessity to enjoy life. I use my bicycle and the public buses whever I evaluate that my life energy is better spent doing so and so any use of my car I attribute to the crappy public transportation system.
 

pygmalion

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Same here. I grew up in Philadelphia, which has a moderate (not stellar, but not bad) public transportation system. I didn't learn to drive until I moved 70 miles away to Allentown, a fairly large town with abysmal public transport. I mean abysmal. At that point, I had no logical choice other than to get a license and a car... or to depend on someone else's license and car. Getting around by bus just didn't work. *shrug*
 
pygmalion said:
The best conclusion I could come up with is that Americans' fates were sealed back in the fifties when Truman (I think :? ) opted to invest so much in the interstate highway system.
Eisenhower, but yeah. Of course the original purpose hasn't come about yet, thankfully. Even seeing a military convoy on the highways is very rare unless you live near a major base.
 

pygmalion

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Truman. Eisenhower. Eh. I mostly slept through the second half of twelfth grade American History class, much to the consternation of Mr. R, my teacher. What can I say? *shrug* :wink: :lol:
 

luh

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lynn said:
I was filling up my car last night and I noticed the soaring gas prices! Where I live, the gas price is hovering around $3.48 to $3.84/gallon (U.S.$)!! That pretty much just added another 10-15% to my commuting expense!.... so, what do you guys do amidst the skyrocketting fuel cost?

Bike? Walk? Public transit?

I guess if there's a positive side to this, that'll probably be people driving less and producting less air pollution......
you guys just don't know how cheep it is at your place!
Ours is way more expensive!
luh
 

pygmalion

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Yeah. I remember the first time I went to Spain. The gas prices there were about the same per litre as we were paying per gallon (3.78 litres,) at the time. Yikes! I wonder what gas prices are in Spain, these days. :?
 

luh

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pygmalion said:
Yeah. I remember the first time I went to Spain. The gas prices there were about the same per litre as we were paying per gallon (3.78 litres,) at the time. Yikes! I wonder what gas prices are in Spain, these days. :?
and they are pretty icky in germany too.
(btw - it's 3.785 litres) ;)
luh
 

pygmalion

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Actually, depending on the number of significant digits you choose, I've seen it called everything from 3.8 to 3.7854118. Eh. *Shrug*

Bottom line. Gas costs too much, IMO. :wink: :lol:
 

luh

Active Member
pygmalion said:
Actually, depending on the number of significant digits you choose, I've seen it called everything from 3.8 to 3.7854118. Eh. *Shrug*

Bottom line. Gas costs too much, IMO. :wink: :lol:
sorry, wrong again. If you'd take 3 significant figures it would be 3.79, if you'd take 4 it would be 3.785. so no matter how oyu put it, - gas costs to much ;)
luh
 

luh

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lynn said:
well, given that it's a supply-demand market, there really isn't much we can do...not to mention we have limited fossil fuel...
change to something else. there are enough cool things out.
luh
 
jon said:
pygmalion said:
The best conclusion I could come up with is that Americans' fates were sealed back in the fifties when Truman (I think :? ) opted to invest so much in the interstate highway system.
Eisenhower, but yeah. Of course the original purpose hasn't come about yet, thankfully. Even seeing a military convoy on the highways is very rare unless you live near a major base.
Ike had not that long previously fought a war in which the Autobahn played an important role (for both sides, in the end)... this was in marked contrast to an disasterous cost-to-cost road convoy experiment he was involved in with the US army in 1919.
 

pygmalion

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Yeah. The decision makes plenty of sense, in a historical context. 8) It just had some long-reaching implications that may not have been foreseeable, at the time.
 
true, but given that the presidential term is only 4 years, it's tough to ask the government to think about long term plans that expands beyond 4 years.
 

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